Seth and Shelly both started their careers in radio. Even if you don't pay close attention to the numbers, it's easy to see that stations are downsizing. That leaves a big question: with the advent of Instagram and Facebook, where does radio fit in the lexicon?

On today's episode, we talk about radio's place in our “attention economy,” the media landscape's shift to podcasts, and its role in our collective future.

We also explore the future of infotainment in cars: what we want, what we need, and what we don't think we'll ever get.