In the second episode of our two-part cyber security podcast, we focus on the role the ATO and other government agencies play in protecting the community from cyber criminals. We welcome back Craig Gillies, Acting Assistant Director-General at the Australian Cyber Security Centre (ACSC), Robyn Jacobson, Senior Advocate at The Tax Institute, and Jamie Norton, head of the ATO Information and Cyber Security program, who conclude that when it comes to cyber security, prevention is always better than a cure.