Zelia Edgar talks UFOs, John Keel, Jacques Vallee, The X-Files

Zelia Edgar (www.justanothertinfoilhat.com) joins host Dean Bertram for a trip down the rabbit hole of UFO belief. A fascinating conversation ensues: from the ideas of the late UFO/Fortean writer John Keel and his influence on the X-Files, through the writings of Jacques Vallee, to the cultural and subjective influences that shape the UFO phenomenon. They also chat about the failure of science to deal with the phenomenon, deep state "spin", and the real history of UFOs: from the Great Airship of 1897 to the Tic-Tac video.