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"If the church can't live out ethnic unity, how in the world do we expect anyone else to do it?" In this episode of T Time, we hear from Vicki Gray, co-founder of Transformation church, and God's radical heart change in both her and her husband, Dr. Derwin Gray. Their church's mission is to live out the task of being a multi-ethnic, multi-generational, mission-shaped community that loves God completely upward, loves ourselves correctly inward, and loves our neighbors compassionately.

00:26 Twanna welcomes listeners and introduces this episode's guest, Vicki Gray.

1:42 Vicki unfolds her upbringing in the Mormon community. 

4:13 After marrying Derwin Gray in college, which was later drafted to the NFL, they realized what they thought would complete them left them wanting more. 

6:00 Twanna asks Vicki to share how she and her husband founded the Transformation church and some history on the church name. 

8:10 Transformation church started with a tug on their hearts when they noticed that the church was not diverse. It began with a vision to be a multi-ethnic, multi-generational, mission-shaped community that loves God completely upward, loves correctly inward and loves their neighbors compassionately outward. 

11:55 Vicki asks, "If the church can't live out ethnic unity, how in the world can we expect anyone else to do it?" 

13:05 Leadership in the church is discipleship at a very high level. 

16:25 As the executive director of spiritual formation and staff health, Vicki has learned that people need to want to grow spiritually for the full effect of discipleship. 

16:45 Twanna asks Vicki to share how churches small and large can implement a culture of staff health. 

19:03 Vicki shares some resources that she would recommend to churches regarding staff health. 

20:52 Vicki explains what spiritual formation looks like at Transformation church. 

24:46 "As a ministry partner with your husband," asks Twanna, "what has been your biggest challenge and your greatest joy?" 

27:46 Vicki closes in prayer. 


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