Episode 175: Serkan Holat on Agile Public Funds

Guest
Serkan Holat
Panelists
Richard Littauer | Leslie Hawthorn
Show Notes
Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard and Leslie are hosting today, and they’re very excited to welcome our special guest, Serkan Holat, who’s a Freelance Software Developer, with over 20 years of experience in researching finance, open source ecosystems, and digital public goods. He advocates for financing open source software with public money and setting up dedicated public funds called Agile Public Funds. Today, we’ll discuss with Serkan, the need to allocate funds to support and publish critical open source software, the importance of sustainability on open source software, and the lack of understanding of the industry’s risk profile. Also, Serkan gives us all the details on an experiment he recently started to increase awareness about using public money to finance open source. Download this episode to hear much more!
[00:01:47] We start off with Serkan telling us how the tax cause is going. He proposes introducing an open source tax on proprietary software sales, with the revenue going to public funds for distribution to the open source ecosystem.
[00:06:11] Serkan explains how he’s watched the space grow, and he talks about the Digital Public Goods Alliance that recognizes open source software as a new type of digital public good, and the Sovereign Tech Fund.
[00:08:35] Serkan tells us why there shouldn’t be any obligations on the developers and what we should do.
[00:10:23] We hear Serkan’s thoughts on the Sovereign Tech Fund in Germany, an excellent initiative that he supports as a blueprint for other nations to follow, but scalability will become an issue.
[00:12:39] Free Software Foundation Europe has a fantastic campaign. Serkan’s explains the idea of using public sector collaboration.
[00:13:56] There’s a discussion on the challenges of implementing public sector collaboration and there’s a suggestion of creating a social contract to increase funding for open source software.
[00:16:43] What’s wrong with the market we currently have? Serkan elaborates on this.
[00:20:19] The conversation shifts to Richard, Leslie, and Serkan touching on the role of security in financing open source software, they discuss the allocations of funds to support and publish open source software, the need for sustainability in open source software, and the lack of understanding of the industry’s risk profile.
[00:28:41] Serkan shares his thoughts on how he’s trying to convince software companies to produce open source software.
[00:30:31] Richard wonders how a tax on proprietary software to help out open source communities, is going to lead to a more equitable environment, or all people building open source software.
[00:32:45] Serkan advocates for the creation of public funds to finance the open source ecosystem, and he’s been experimenting with this approach for the past 15 months. He chooses three projects from Open Collective each month and distributes money based on their criticality score.
[00:34:11] Find out where you can follow Serkan and all his writings on the web.
Quotes
[00:02:51] “My proposal on that area is to introduce an open source software tax on proprietor software sales.”
Spotlight
[00:37:13] Leslie’s spotlight is the Chaos Computer Club.
[00:38:22] Richard’s spotlight is the Feminist Bird Club, Northern Vermont chapter.
[00:39:04] Serkan’s spotlight is an announcement made by Minister Alexandra van Huffelen, at the EU Open Source Policy Summit 2023.
Links
SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/)
SustainOSS Twitter (https://twitter.com/SustainOSS?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
SustainOSS Discourse (https://discourse.sustainoss.org/)
[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])
SustainOSS Mastodon (https://mastodon.social/tags/sustainoss)
Richard Littauer Twitter (https://twitter.com/richlitt?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Leslie Hawthorn Twitter (https://twitter.com/lhawthorn?lang=en)
Serkan Holat Twitter (https://twitter.com/coni2k?lang=en)
Serkan Holat LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/serkanholat/)
Serkan Holat Mastodon (https://mastodon.social/@coni2k)
Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal (https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/learning/research-reports/roads-and-bridges-the-unseen-labor-behind-our-digital-infrastructure/)
Digital Public Goods Alliance (https://digitalpublicgoods.net/)
Sovereign Tech Fund (https://sovereigntechfund.de/en/)
Open Source Project Criticality Score-GitHub (https://github.com/ossf/criticality_score)
Open source public fund experiment by Serkan Holat (https://dev.to/coni2k/open-source-public-fund-experiment-lc8)
Ecosyste.ms (https://ecosyste.ms/)
If it’s public money, make it public code!-FOSDEM’23 (https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/public_money_public_code/)
Public Money? Public Code! Free Software Foundation Europe (https://publiccode.eu/en/)
Switch to open source alternatives in Munich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux)
Chaos Computer Club (https://www.ccc.de/en/)
Northern Vermont Feminist Bird Club- Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/fbc.nvt/)
Dutch Digitalisation Minister announces creation of an OSPO (https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/dutch-digitalisation-minister-announces-ospo-creation)
Ministerial Address: Alexandra van Huffelen (YouTube) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQEzKQFjXg&t=18080s)
Credits
Produced by Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Special Guest: Serkan Holat.

Guest

Serkan Holat

Panelists

Richard Littauer | Leslie Hawthorn

Show Notes

Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard and Leslie are hosting today, and they’re very excited to welcome our special guest, Serkan Holat, who’s a Freelance Software Developer, with over 20 years of experience in researching finance, open source ecosystems, and digital public goods. He advocates for financing open source software with public money and setting up dedicated public funds called Agile Public Funds. Today, we’ll discuss with Serkan, the need to allocate funds to support and publish critical open source software, the importance of sustainability on open source software, and the lack of understanding of the industry’s risk profile. Also, Serkan gives us all the details on an experiment he recently started to increase awareness about using public money to finance open source. Download this episode to hear much more!

[00:01:47] We start off with Serkan telling us how the tax cause is going. He proposes introducing an open source tax on proprietary software sales, with the revenue going to public funds for distribution to the open source ecosystem.

[00:06:11] Serkan explains how he’s watched the space grow, and he talks about the Digital Public Goods Alliance that recognizes open source software as a new type of digital public good, and the Sovereign Tech Fund.

[00:08:35] Serkan tells us why there shouldn’t be any obligations on the developers and what we should do.

[00:10:23] We hear Serkan’s thoughts on the Sovereign Tech Fund in Germany, an excellent initiative that he supports as a blueprint for other nations to follow, but scalability will become an issue.

[00:12:39] Free Software Foundation Europe has a fantastic campaign. Serkan’s explains the idea of using public sector collaboration.

[00:13:56] There’s a discussion on the challenges of implementing public sector collaboration and there’s a suggestion of creating a social contract to increase funding for open source software.

[00:16:43] What’s wrong with the market we currently have? Serkan elaborates on this.

[00:20:19] The conversation shifts to Richard, Leslie, and Serkan touching on the role of security in financing open source software, they discuss the allocations of funds to support and publish open source software, the need for sustainability in open source software, and the lack of understanding of the industry’s risk profile.

[00:28:41] Serkan shares his thoughts on how he’s trying to convince software companies to produce open source software.

[00:30:31] Richard wonders how a tax on proprietary software to help out open source communities, is going to lead to a more equitable environment, or all people building open source software.

[00:32:45] Serkan advocates for the creation of public funds to finance the open source ecosystem, and he’s been experimenting with this approach for the past 15 months. He chooses three projects from Open Collective each month and distributes money based on their criticality score.

[00:34:11] Find out where you can follow Serkan and all his writings on the web.

Quotes

[00:02:51] “My proposal on that area is to introduce an open source software tax on proprietor software sales.”

Spotlight

[00:37:13] Leslie’s spotlight is the Chaos Computer Club.
[00:38:22] Richard’s spotlight is the Feminist Bird Club, Northern Vermont chapter.
[00:39:04] Serkan’s spotlight is an announcement made by Minister Alexandra van Huffelen, at the EU Open Source Policy Summit 2023.

Links

SustainOSS
SustainOSS Twitter
SustainOSS Discourse
[email protected]
SustainOSS Mastodon
Richard Littauer Twitter
Leslie Hawthorn Twitter
Serkan Holat Twitter
Serkan Holat LinkedIn
Serkan Holat Mastodon
Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal
Digital Public Goods Alliance
Sovereign Tech Fund
Open Source Project Criticality Score-GitHub
Open source public fund experiment by Serkan Holat
Ecosyste.ms
If it’s public money, make it public code!-FOSDEM’23
Public Money? Public Code! Free Software Foundation Europe
Switch to open source alternatives in Munich
Chaos Computer Club
Northern Vermont Feminist Bird Club- Instagram
Dutch Digitalisation Minister announces creation of an OSPO
Ministerial Address: Alexandra van Huffelen (YouTube)

Credits

Produced by Richard Littauer
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound

Special Guest: Serkan Holat.

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