Episode 109: Dries Buytaert of Drupal on Balancing Makers and Takers to Scale and Sustain Open Source

Guest
Dries Buytaert
Panelists
Richard Littauer
Show Notes
Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. We’re very excited about our guest and even though Richard is the only panelist today, it’s going to be a great episode. Joining us today is Dries Buytaert, who’s the Founder of Drupal, as well as the Founder and CTO of Acquia, which is a very successful open source company that helps out Drupal. We learn more about Drupal and why it’s so successful, as well as how Acquia was born and how it differs from Drupal. Dries goes in depth about a blog post he wrote, _Balancing Makers and Takers to scale and sustain Open Source, _and he shares one of the biggest challenges that we need to figure out in open source sustainability and explains how the work of Elinor Ostrom ties into it. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more!
[00:01:42] Dries details how it all started for him and how he ended up with Drupal.
[00:03:25] Find out how many contributors Drupal has and how many websites are served by Drupal.
[00:05:16] We learn about Acquia, how it differs from Drupal, and the donation Drupal made to the PHP Foundation.
[00:09:20] Dries explains why Drupal is so successful.
[00:10:46] Richard mentions a blog post to check out that Dries wrote. Dries goes in depth about what he means by the ‘Fairness Principle,’ and explains the takers, makers, and the credit system they use to encourage the makers.
[00:20:57] Richard brings up the Algorithm in Drupal and Dries talks more about it.
[00:22:51] Dries shares advice to people who may be interested in setting up to invest in foundations and the story of how he started Acquia.
[00:27:50] Richard asks Dries what his views are on both digital infrastructure and government involvement in open source.
[00:31:50] Dries explains some challenges for open source sustainability and talks about the work of Elinor Ostrom.
[00:38:20] Dries fills us in on some experiments they’re doing in the Drupal project.
[00:38:55] Find out where you can follow Dries and his work online.
Quotes
[00:14:15] “Open source is also a common good.”
[00:29:51] “I do think we need to think about how we institutionalize the operations of the project.”
[00:38:03] “Sustainability is often a coordination problem.”
Spotlight
[00:40:07] Richard’s spotlight is Rachel Lawson.
[00:40:37] Dries’s spotlight is a shout out to all the open source diversity and inclusion communities.
Links
SustainOSS (https://sustainoss.org/)
SustainOSS Twitter (https://twitter.com/SustainOSS?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
SustainOSS Discourse (https://discourse.sustainoss.org/)
Dries Buytaert Website (https://dri.es/)
Dries Buytaert Twitter (https://twitter.com/Dries?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Drupal (https://www.drupal.org/)
Acquia (https://www.acquia.com/)
Balancing Makers and Takers to scale and sustain Open Source (blog post by Dries Buytaert) (https://dri.es/balancing-makers-and-takers-to-scale-and-sustain-open-source)
PHP Foundation (https://opencollective.com/phpfoundation)
Drupal-GitHub (https://github.com/drupal)
Rachel Lawson- Sustain Podcast: Episodes 35 and 88 (https://podcast.sustainoss.org/guests/rachel-lawson)
Danese Cooper-Sustain Podcast: Episode 54 (https://podcast.sustainoss.org/guests/danese)
Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action by Elinor Ostrom (https://bookshop.org/books/governing-the-commons-the-evolution-of-institutions-for-collective-action/9781107569782)
Greg Bloom LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregbloom/)
SustainOSS Working Group: Community Principles & Ostrom Redux (Greg Bloom) (https://sustainoss.org/working-groups/ostrom/)
SustainOSS Working Group: Licensing (https://sustainoss.org/working-groups/licensing/)
Rachel Lawson Twitter (https://twitter.com/rachel_norfolk)
Open Source Diversity (https://opensourcediversity.org/)
Credits
Produced by Richard Littauer (https://www.burntfen.com/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound (https://www.peachtreesound.com/) Special Guest: Dries Buytaert.

Guest

Dries Buytaert

Panelists

Richard Littauer

Show Notes

Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. We’re very excited about our guest and even though Richard is the only panelist today, it’s going to be a great episode. Joining us today is Dries Buytaert, who’s the Founder of Drupal, as well as the Founder and CTO of Acquia, which is a very successful open source company that helps out Drupal. We learn more about Drupal and why it’s so successful, as well as how Acquia was born and how it differs from Drupal. Dries goes in depth about a blog post he wrote, _Balancing Makers and Takers to scale and sustain Open Source, _and he shares one of the biggest challenges that we need to figure out in open source sustainability and explains how the work of Elinor Ostrom ties into it. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more!

[00:01:42] Dries details how it all started for him and how he ended up with Drupal.

[00:03:25] Find out how many contributors Drupal has and how many websites are served by Drupal.

[00:05:16] We learn about Acquia, how it differs from Drupal, and the donation Drupal made to the PHP Foundation.

[00:09:20] Dries explains why Drupal is so successful.

[00:10:46] Richard mentions a blog post to check out that Dries wrote. Dries goes in depth about what he means by the ‘Fairness Principle,’ and explains the takers, makers, and the credit system they use to encourage the makers.

[00:20:57] Richard brings up the Algorithm in Drupal and Dries talks more about it.

[00:22:51] Dries shares advice to people who may be interested in setting up to invest in foundations and the story of how he started Acquia.

[00:27:50] Richard asks Dries what his views are on both digital infrastructure and government involvement in open source.

[00:31:50] Dries explains some challenges for open source sustainability and talks about the work of Elinor Ostrom.

[00:38:20] Dries fills us in on some experiments they’re doing in the Drupal project.

[00:38:55] Find out where you can follow Dries and his work online.

Quotes

[00:14:15] “Open source is also a common good.”

[00:29:51] “I do think we need to think about how we institutionalize the operations of the project.”

[00:38:03] “Sustainability is often a coordination problem.”

Spotlight

[00:40:07] Richard’s spotlight is Rachel Lawson.
[00:40:37] Dries’s spotlight is a shout out to all the open source diversity and inclusion communities.

Links

SustainOSS
SustainOSS Twitter
SustainOSS Discourse
Dries Buytaert Website
Dries Buytaert Twitter
Drupal
Acquia
Balancing Makers and Takers to scale and sustain Open Source (blog post by Dries Buytaert)
PHP Foundation
Drupal-GitHub
Rachel Lawson- Sustain Podcast: Episodes 35 and 88
Danese Cooper-Sustain Podcast: Episode 54
Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action by Elinor Ostrom
Greg Bloom LinkedIn
SustainOSS Working Group: Community Principles & Ostrom Redux (Greg Bloom)
SustainOSS Working Group: Licensing
Rachel Lawson Twitter
Open Source Diversity

Credits

Produced by Richard Littauer
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound

Special Guest: Dries Buytaert.

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