Sterling Cooper David Steve
102 episodes - English - Latest episode: 8 months ago - ★★★★★ - 2 ratingsA podcast about Mad Men. One guy has watched it 15 times, the other, well, for him it's time number one.
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BONUS EPISODE - Boyington's B*st*rds Episode 1
August 11, 2023 18:53No this isn't about Mad Men, but you know what? We don't care, what did you pay for this anyway? We have a new project and we thought we'd force you to listen to it. It's about the Black Sheep Squadron and it's right here. VMAF 214 Patch today Yes yes, you knew it was coming. We've dropped enough hints. Hell, on the retro TV podcast I am a part of I covered this show on my third episode. Anyway yes, it's the Black Sheep Squadron/Baa Baa Black Sheep, the story of famed US Marine fight...
BONUS EPISODE - 200 Dollars a Day Plus Expenses - Episode 1
January 27, 2023 16:57We're now taking on 'The Rockford Files' which is a favourite of both of ours, from our childhoods. That's with good reason by the way, this is one of the most important action/PI shows in the history of TV. We're dropping this episode into your Mad Men feed to give you a taste. This will be the last time! Promise. Today begin this, well, multi year, journey with Jimbo, Angel, Rocky, Beth, a ton of high profile guest stars, oh and me and Steve. We're starting with the pilot of the ser...
Episode 100 - Dave, Steve, History, Endings, Etc.
December 01, 2022 05:01 - 62.8 MBEvery year in the Canadian amateur podcasting realm (not sure it that's the right word and unlike Steve, I don't have a PhD in English...) has a thing called 'Canadian National Day of Podcasting' wherein podcasters put out a show on Dec 1, new or old or anything else. So Steve and I decided to do a CNDOP episode. We talk history. What did Mad Men do well? What did it do poorly? What did they miss? Oh and we have a cool announcement about our next project. mp3 download
Episode 99 - David to Stephen
November 12, 2022 02:39 - 73.8 MBIt's here. I'm writing this before tonight's recording. I've read Steve's comments on the finale in our Google doc. I know how this will go. I'm still oddly nervous and sad. (Steve and I have another project coming, stay tuned to this space). Don teaches the world to sing. Stephanie and Dick go to Big Sur. Damn some of the therapy in there was bad bad bad therapy. Realistic though. The Blue Flame gets mentioned, though not by name. (Oh I should have mentioned, Cliff Dunn from Mad ...
Episode 98 - The Steve and Davey Route
November 04, 2022 17:49 - 62.5 MBWelcome to our discussion of the penultimate episode of the series! Though we will do two more on the podcast to hit 100. Once we hit 100 that sweet syndication money starts to roll in! MAX GAIL! We both love the old Coke machine. We're not fond of Pete's brother, or that guy from Lear Jet. Duck is back! Duck's better drunk, oddly enough. Is Pete sincere? I think he is, but Steve doesn't give them much time. This one is a little longer, near the end and all. Join us next week whe...
Episode 97 - Dave Loses Steve Over the Horizon
October 28, 2022 18:03 - 66.9 MBThat is, undoubtedly, the worst title I have come up with. Is there anything better than Peggy walking into McCann with a butt and her box of stuff? Rattling window! Jet plane! Don leaves! ROBERT MORSE! We would both watch a show where Don Draper and the ghost of Bert Cooper travel around the midwest solving crimes. We could call it 'Highway to Objectivism' (Credit to Neil Brauer for that one). Oh Don, don't chase Diana. Peggy on roller skates is one of my favourite moments in the ...
Episode 96 - Steve and Dave Have the Time of Their Lives
October 21, 2022 16:40 - 72.4 MBNot a great title, clever title wise, but not bad. We're getting near the end, the music is getting melancholy too. Irksome is the word of the day. There are a few emotionally manipulating scenes in the episode, I don't mind being manipulated when it is done well. Stan is great in this one. Don goes searching for Diana, but finds two guys in her old place. Lou gets a happy ending. I hate Lou. Have I mentioned that I hate Lou? THE KING ORDERED IT! mp3 download
Episode 95 - Dave Gives Steve a Forecast
October 07, 2022 18:00 - 71.5 MBAs I keep noting, we're getting near the end. There's a melancholy property to the music. (Speaking of music 'The First Time Ever I saw Your Face' is a pretty great song). The show knows it's almost over too, and sort of keeps reminding us, or at least commenting on it. No Diana happily... Hey, it's Captain Pike! No not that Captain Pike, the other one. Don is selling the apartment, which makes sense, but it's, again, the end of an era. Sally is excellent in this one, almost as exce...
Episode 94 - Steve and Dave Have Some New Business
September 30, 2022 18:01 - 69 MBGetting close to the end. It's the last we'll see of Diana, and while I don't hate the arc, it is worn. I make what I think is an extremely clever analysis of the Calvet family. Harry is horrible. Megan is now a millionaire. I think Don is sorry. Is Marie leaving Emile for Roger? Is Meredith the best thing ever? mp3 download
Episode 93 - Soon Dave and Steve will Sever This Podcast
September 23, 2022 17:56 - 65.9 MBI mean look, it has to happen, there are only seven episodes left. This one is really a season starter, so we know that it will be a bit weak, and it was. Don has a blue shirt, he's practically Jerry Rubin at this point. This one has a lot going on, historically speaking, but those things seem to happen around the characters. What's with the moustaches? Men are pigs. It's Ferg! Steve will hate Ferg. Is Kenny telling us the story of Mad Men? I like to think so. He always seems like ...
Episode 92 - Is This Steve and Dave's Waterloo?
September 16, 2022 16:46 - 67.3 MBI wonder, should that be Steve's and Dave's, or, does the possessive on 'Dave' include Steve? I mean it seems like it should, it feels right etc. You know what else feels right? THIS EPISODE. This is a good one, it is one of my favourites. It actually started me on a From the Earth to the Moon rewatch. I'm probably just at the cusp of the age where kids loved astronauts. Oh Bert, you right wing, reactionary maniac, you were a hell of a dancer/singer. 'That's one small step for man' w...
Episode 91 - Dave and Steve Have a Strategy
September 09, 2022 16:31 - 66.2 MBAs is often the case, the show seems to get better as seasons go on. Burger Chef probably is run by morons. Jim Hobart! Bonnie is boring. Pete is acting like a complete ass. Lou is covering his ass, but, I hate Lou. Have I mentioned how much I hate Lou? The closing scene is probably the best shot thing in season 7A. mp3 Download
Episode 90 - Steve and Dave Run Away
September 02, 2022 17:46 - 54.8 MBThis title pretty much wrote itself. This one is, to me, odd. I like it, but it feels odd somehow. Sometimes like a bunch of vaguely related scenes. I still like it, and it has some great stuff, it just strikes me odd. Megan is a bit of a twit here. I hate Lou. Stephanie shows up with Megan. Oddly, my sister Stephanie might have been a Megan. Lou is horrible. Have I mentioned how much I dislike Lou? Steve and I are not big on parties like that one at Megan's place. Harry is sle...
Episode 89 - Dave and Steve are Not a Monolith
August 26, 2022 18:00 - 66.2 MBThere has to be a 2001 reference here I can make in the title, but I'm at a loss. Don's back! Don's not back. Don's being a jerk. Don is actually back, and he's on a carousel. Margaret is Marigold. Electricity isn't the problem there hippies. MEET THE METS! The 1969 Mets were a very good baseball team. The 1969 Expos, that's another story. I still hate Lou. mp3 download
Episode 88 - Steve and Dave Go on a Field Trip
August 19, 2022 17:59 - 63.2 MBEverything is upside down! Don is coming back to work. Might have been fun had he gone to a fictionalized Wells Rich Greene. Don called their bluff. Megan called Don's bluff. We hate Lou. Of course we are supposed to. Don't yell out dumb sexist garbage when we record live. (Apparently some people have completely missed the point of the show). Time for Megan to fire her agent. Steve and I would like to meet Rod Serling. mp3 download
Episode 87 - Dave and Steve at MMPR
August 14, 2022 12:29 - 17.9 MBEach year a bunch of podcasters get together and hang out, talk about our weird hobby, and generally cause trouble. The event is known as the 'Marshall McLuhan Podcaster Roundtables'. We also take an afternoon to record in front of an audience. There is drinking. There is carousing. There is merriment. So we sat down for about 20 minutes and took audience questions. I thought we hadn't used the song we used, but I was wrong. See you next week with a regular episode. mp3 download
Episode 86 - Dave and Steve Put in a Day's Work
August 05, 2022 18:07 - 66.8 MBOK, maybe a couple of hours. Shipka is great in this one. Rahm is great in this one. Much of this one is about the subtle and not so subtle racism people faced at the time and still do face. If you still thought you liked Bert Cooper, maybe watch this one again... Sally meets Lou. We hate Lou. Dine and Dash! The Don and Sally relationship may be one of the best on the show. mp3 download
Episode 85 - Steve and Dave Live in Different Time Zones
July 29, 2022 17:57 - 65.2 MBSEASON 7! Still not sure how we'll treat season 7. Will we do it as two separate seasons or as one big one? Either way we're done soon. Wait, Freddy? Boy can Don Draper make an entrance. So can Megan! Megan seems to live in Laurel Canyon, you gotta talk about the sound. Lou is a placeholder. mp3 download
Episode 84 - Season 6 Wrap Up
July 02, 2022 01:23 - 71.6 MBOH MY GOD, WE'RE GOING INTO SEASON 7. But first, let's talk season 6. As is our custom, we have invited Cliff Dunn from Mad Men, Out to Lunch With Roger Sterling on the podcast. We had a couple of other lurkers too! How did Steve's predictions go? What are his predictions for season 7? 1968, what a crazy year, lots of great historical stuff. Somewhere in there you'll hear RFK's speech the day MLK was murdered. Powerful stuff. mp3 download
Episode 83 - In Care of Dave and Steve
June 24, 2022 16:26 - 58.8 MBWow, we've done six seasons! So much to unpack here. This could have been a series finale. Don does almost everything right, built it's still wrong. Ted is a creep. Stan is a pawn. Peggy is I dunno.... Sally is annoying. Both Sides Now is the perfect pop song. mp3 download
Episode 82 - Dave's Quality Shows Steve No Mercy
June 17, 2022 17:51 - 57.6 MBOK, so this was one of those 'I have no idea how to come up with a title' ones. Ted and Peggy don't seem to be hiding their feelings any more. Don is passive aggressive here, but he's right actually. Don as a baby, lots. Symbolic rebirth incoming? Nice cultural references in this one, Rosemary's Baby is terrifying. Porpoise Song! Could Betty's car be any bigger? Sally is off to Miss Porter's mp3 download
Episode 81 - Dave Does Steve a Favour
June 10, 2022 17:55 - 57.9 MBYup, I'm using Canadian spelling of 'favour' even though the episode is entitled 'Favours'. You got a problem with that? Fine, complain to the management. This one is full of uncomfortable scenes. Don and Arnie in the bar is a good scene. I like these guys. Mitchell is a dumb kid, though you have to admire his idealism. Don't do this Don. Sally is off for a big trip! According to Betty it's just an excuse to make out. Ted asks Don to end the war. Sylvia probably shouldn't have 't...
Episode 80 - It Was the Best of Steves, It Was the Worst of Daves
June 03, 2022 18:33 - 75.2 MBSee now THAT'S a clever title! We start with Steve giving us a little lesson on the titular book. I love a California episode. I hate seeing people think a kid will help their relationship (even in a hash inspired dream sequence). Damn the music is good in this one. Avon, groovy. Ted is a decent guy who is not only obsessed with Peggy, he's got a thing for process and forms. 'It's a dry heave'. Roger is hilarious and horrible. Danny! Ginzo is coming unglued. mp3 download
Episode 79 - Either Steve or Dave are the Better Half of this Podcast
May 27, 2022 16:39 - 68.3 MBHad to really work for the title this time around. Bobby goes to camp! It's Bobby 5! Father Abraham! Women and men differ in how they take and give directions. SCDP CGC are the 27 Yankees. Harry feels strongly both ways. Don and Betty hook up, it's a one nighter. Abe dumps Peggy in an ambulance. mp3 Download
Episode 78 - Steve and Dave Crash
May 23, 2022 17:54 - 59.5 MBThis episode is such a nice palette cleaner after the uneven start to season 6. The show often does something experimental and special in the middle (the Suitcase, A Night to Remember, etc.) and this is no exception. There's still some Sylvia, but I find her less annoying. I think Steve agrees, but I'm writing this an hour before we record, so who knows? 'It's proprietary!' Misspelling Chevy is pretty impressive. 'My God you're as good as they say!' Some really solid music this week....
Episode 77 - Dave and Steve Have a Plan
May 13, 2022 17:59 - 64.2 MBOK, enough with the Sylvia stuff. I guess if the hotel scenes were actually interesting maybe I'd have less problem with them. Of course the gang getting back together is good. The music this season has been excellent. (I think this is the last dud of the season, so we should be good going forward). Don drinks Ted under the table. Ted flies Don to meet the Mohawk Airlines guys. Peggy seems to think the reason they merged was to get her. Burt Peterson, we hardly knew ye. mp3 downl...
Episode 76 - For Immediate Release: Steve and Dave Did a Podcast
May 06, 2022 18:15 - 61.4 MBThis one is uneven, like a lot of the early season 6 episodes, but it has its moments for sure. Moments like Pete falling down the stairs. Moments like Kenny talking about someone 'using a slide rule'. Moments like the creation of SCDP/CHC. Moments like Abe fixing a wall outlet by putting. a screw driver in it. Moments like Roger doing his thing. Moments like Marie speaking French poorly. Moments like Ted and Don getting Chevy. Oh and other stuff. Plus, we talk about obscurer Canad...
Episode 75 - Steve and Dave Flood You With Analysis
April 29, 2022 18:12 - 75.3 MBThis is the first excellent episode of the season I think. Steve Agrees. This show does a really nice job when the integrate historical stuff, in this case MLK's assassination, into the plot. Planet of the Apes is a great movie. Bobby is actually pretty sympathetic here. He seems to have grown some, finally. Ginzo's Dad sets him up on a date! The gang being at the Ad Club of New York's awards dinner is a nice touch. Paul Newman did host that night, and he did make the statement you ...
Episode 74 - Dave and Steve Will Neither Have Nor Hold Each Other.
April 22, 2022 16:54 - 71.3 MBWe start out by discussing the amazing Robert Morse. RIP. Much stronger episode this week. Megan has more screen time! TWO SCENES WITH ONLY AFRICAN AMERICANS!!! Harry is an ass. Don is gross, as is Sylvia. Dawn on the other hand is pretty great. Steve is warming to Stan. Ginzo is funny. Ted McGinley shows up. Ted orders a drink from 30 Rock. mp3 download
Episode 73 - Dave and Steve Collaborate to Bring You This Podcast
April 15, 2022 17:47 - 47.5 MBSteve is not a fan of this one. Frankly, he's right, this one is pretty stagnant, though I like seeing Arnie on screen. This episode is framed by the USS Pueblo incident and the Test Offensive. Megan has some news. Sylvia has some Catholic guilt. There are flashbacks. There is paying for it. There is sledgehammer symbolism. This one has Don putting Herb in his place a bit, so there's that. mp3 download
Episode 72 - Dave and Steve Remain Behind the Doorway
April 01, 2022 18:06 - 62.8 MBOn to season premiere part 2. Don pukes at Roger's Mom's funeral. If Roger's life had any meaning, it doesn't any more. Megan is going weekly on her soap. I want to go to a New Year Party at the Drapers'. I feel really bad for Arnie. So Don''s doing this again is he? One thing Don might try, and I know this is a crazy idea, is not having affairs with everyone he meets. mp3 download
Episode 71 - Follow Steve and Dave Through the Doorway
March 25, 2022 16:49 - 69 MBOn to season 6! That opening, scared the heck out of me. Hey, we're in Hawaii! Don is reading Danté. Megan has a steady acting gig! PFC Dinkins is here. He left his lighter with Don. Don did a nice thing! 'Hey Lieutenant, wanna get in some trouble?' Jonesy the doorman was great in the Sopranos. Wait, Don has a friend? mp3 download
Episode 70 - Season 5 Wrap Up
March 19, 2022 01:27 - 61.8 MBAs is our custom when we finish up a season, Steve and I invited friend of the podcast Cliff Dunn from 'Mad Men Out To Lunch With Roger Sterling' on to discuss the last 13 episodes. What a season it was too. Politics. The War. The generation gap. Music. Don and Megan's marriage. Oh and we checked in on Steve's predictions for season 6 and his ones for season 5, I wonder how he did. We also of course talked about what episodes we think Steve will like in season 6. mp3 download
Episode 69 - The Steve, the Dave and the Phantom
February 25, 2022 19:13 - 73.1 MBIt's the season 5 finale! Programming note, we're taking a little break. Don's got a tooth ache. It's not just his tooth that's bad. Adam keeps showing up. Megan wants a gig, Don seems to ha ve one. Some really pretty shots this episode. Poor Beth. Pete gets hit again. Howard is garbage. My friend down there, she was wondering, are you alone? mp3 download
Episode 68 - Daves, Steves, Commissions, Fees
February 18, 2022 17:49 - 62.9 MBWell, it was building to this. I did my best to hide it from Steve. This is yet another sad episode. Poor Lane. Poor Rebecca. Poor Nigel, nobody ever thinks about Nigel. The smell, nobody tells you about the smell. Incoming calls! Sally becomes a woman. Glenn is back for a bit. Lane's job is done, it's just so damned sad. mp3 download
Episode 67 - Dave, Steve and the Other Woman
February 11, 2022 19:11 - 72.4 MBThis one makes me angry. This one makes me sad. It does that to Steve too. It's really horrible that this is how Joan gets ahead. Peggy is leaving! Ted is smarmy. Men are horrible. Steve has some Pete thoughts. mp3 download
Episode 66 - Steve and Dave Have a Christmas Waltz
February 04, 2022 19:10 - 67.8 MBIt's funny how long ago Christmas seems even though it was like 6 weeks ago. Anyway, today we're off to test drive an E Type Jaguar with Joan and Don. THERE'S A PLANE HERE TO SEE YOU. Harry seems to have some humanity left. Kinsey! Hare Krishnas! Mother Lakshmi! I really like the Don and Joan friendship in this episode. mp3 download
Episode 65 - Join Dave and Steve in the Dark Shadows
January 28, 2022 17:59 - 79.5 MBAgain, not a strong title on my part. One of the things I like about this show is how its characters can be doing the right thing one scene, and then not the right thing in the next scene they are in. Poor Betty is counting calories. Poor Sally is being used as a pawn. Sally is also, despite her attempted grown uppedness, still a kid. As an aside, I absolutely hate when kids act like they think adults act. Ginzo is great in this one. Don, I'm pretty sure you think about Michael alm...
Episode 64 - Dave and Steve Wish Lazarus Was a Lady
January 21, 2022 19:10 - 72.5 MBDon listening to Tomorrow Never Knows As I sometimes point out, the clever title thing (which isn't going away even if you don't think it's clever, who the hell are you and what did you pay for the podcast?) can be difficult. This was one of those. Damn I love season 5. This one could have been entitled 'Don doesn't get it at all'. It could also have been entitled 'PIZZA HAUS!!!' Megan wants to be an actress. Ginzo swears in a meeting. Roger is funny, yet he has grown. Don seems va...
Episode 63 - Steve and Dave Attend the Codfish Ball
January 14, 2022 21:42 - 70.6 MBI've been saying this a lot this season, but this is one of my favourite episodes. I really don't like Raymond from Heinz. Megan and Don pitching to Raymond is great. Peggy's mother is pretty awful. Megan's parents represent Quebec nicely. That said, her mother can't speak French really.... How was the city? Dirty. mp3 download
Episode 62 - Dave and Steve Go to Some Far Away Places
January 07, 2022 18:56 - 59.5 MBHappy New Year! Damn this is a great bit of TV. It's non linear storytelling in the style of Max Ophuls. It's Roger and Jane dropping acid. It's Don and Megan going to Howard Johnson's. It's some super moving backstory about Ginzo. It's Peggy finding out that she can't be Don. It's Bert telling Don to shape up. It's just generally amazing. mp3 download
Episode 61 - Steve Sends Dave Signal 30
December 17, 2021 18:57 - 61.3 MBOK, coming up with a 'clever' title was not an easy task here. It's made up for by the fine song Steve picked. Oh and that Romney thing from 'Tea Leaves', we're informed by a reliable source that it is not about Mittens. CYNTHIA! Oh, having a baby, that gets you going? I know cooler heads should prevail but... This is medieval. HE HAD CHEWING GUM ON HIS PUBIS! Also, this is a great episode. mp3 download
Episode 60 - Steve and Dave Go On a Mystery Date
December 10, 2021 19:34 - 65.6 MBWow, we've done 60 of these things! This one is Hitchcockian at times, I like that. Shelly from Twin Peaks is here! Oh and Don 'kills' her. Joan ditches Captain Dr. McRapeyson. 'He Hit Me, and It Felt Like a Kiss' is a horrible song. Steve and I both got to bring a bit of our professional lives into this one. Lots of good 1960s boxes to check this week, Vietnam, civil right protests, riots, women taking a modicum of control of their lives and probably other things I can't think of ...
Episode 59 - Steve and Dave Read Some Tea Leaves
December 03, 2021 19:13 - 57.3 MBOK, let's get this out of the way, here is the link to the 'Fat Betty' song. It's really disheartening to see how much Betty's self worth is wrapped up in her looks. Henry's Mom is a garbage person. 'Everything is going to be OK'. Hey, TWO new characters, Dawn and Ginzo! We talked more about April Wine than you'd expect. We didn't like the Romney line. I love Ginzo's father. The Stones, playing Time is on My Side, to the bean ballet, blame Steve. mp3 download
Episode 58 - Dave Will Not Be Giving Steve a Little Kiss
November 26, 2021 18:56 - 57.8 MBOn to part 2 of the season 5 premiere. It really does feel like a whole separate episode, if only a day later. Stan and Harry, that's when you cheer for Stan. Harry is truly gross. Roger should stop carrying so much cash around. I spotted more dramatic irony, and then Steve taught me about a new kind of irony. That scene with Megan cleaning up, we both think it's a bit of role-play, though it's also a conversation. It lets us know that we're at the start of a relationship. Oops, the...
Episode 57 - Steve Will Not Be Giving Dave A Little Kiss
November 19, 2021 19:27 - 78.2 MBOn to season 5! While this episode was a two parter originally, we'll tackle it this week and next. Don is in love. Don seems, wait for it, happy. Megan throws a party. Megan swears like a Quebecer, which, well, makes sense as the character is one, as is the actress. I wouldn't want a surprise party. Hell of a performance by Jessica Paré here. Stan is still an idiot. Pete is a decent guy! That thing at the beginning, the racist thing from the jerks at Y and R, that happened. Inde...
Episode 56 - Season 4 Wrapup
November 13, 2021 02:21 - 54.8 MBWe wrap up season 4 with a free wheeling discussion, including friend of the show, Cliff Dunn. Cliff is one of the admins at 'Mad Men, Out To Lunch With Roger Sterling' (where I am now a mod) which is the finest Mad Men fan group on Facebook, nay the internet. We start with some predictions that Steve made about Season 4, did they come true? We discuss the big theses of Season 4. We discuss the big events of Season 4. We get Steve to make predictions for Season 5. Cliff and I talk a...
Episode 55 - Dave and Steve Visit Tomorrowland
November 05, 2021 18:04 - 67.9 MBIt's the season 4 finale! Don asked Megan to marry him. I didn't see this coming (in 2010). It actually seems like he might have thought it through. Betty is a baby in this episode, though she still seems to like that Don hid rye in her old house. Roger's line 'did you get cancer' is hilarious. Kenny seems like a normal person! The song they sing is REALLY dark. Poor Carla, damn you Betty. Who did Megan and her friend see at the Whisky? I'm guessing the Byrds. I want it to be J...
Episode 54 - Steve and Dave Blowing Smoke
October 29, 2021 17:59 - 65 MBI prefer clever titles that don't really just have 'Dave and Steve and the title of the episode' but here we are. This one is another caper really, and it's directed by John Slattery, which follows. Watching people lose their jobs sucks. Watching Don have the New York Times publish what was, in essence, an ad for SCDP is pretty great. I love Bert fake quitting. As much as I find Teddy grating, I'll admit that the RFK bit was inspired. The Easter Egg in there that 'someone named Emerso...
Episode 53 - The Chinese Wall Between Steve and Dave
October 22, 2021 17:57 - 59.2 MBAs we have seen in past seasons, this show runs its finales over a few episodes. Stop me at three, this is one Hey everyone, welcome to Don Draper world, where you and all of your friends have at least one really big secret! Megan is making a move maybe? Hey, pretty good use of alliteration there Dave, why thank you Dave. People don't take you seriously because you've never taken yourself seriously. Bert gets the best lines. Peggy and Abe, sitting in a tree. Stan is a pig. I think J...