Rob Brender and Toby Hyde welcome Triple A pitching coach Frank Viola back to the podcast, for a deep dive on 2 unexpected keys of the recent wild card run for the Mets, starting pitchers Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman. Frank talks about their development in the minors, what’s made the difference for them so far in the big leagues, and also shares his thoughts on Josh Smoker, Gabriel Ynoa, and Wally Backman’s departure from the Mets.