Episode 19. Season 3 Round Table #3

Get ready to dive headfirst into a heated debate about the nominees for the SNL Hall of Fame! Join jD and his esteemed panel - Jon Schneider, Andy Hoglund, and Andrew Clark - as we dissect the 15 new nominees and discuss who should make the cut. With a stacked lineup of talent to choose from, this episode is guaranteed to be a rollercoaster ride of opinions and insights.

We kick things off by discussing the legendary John Belushi and Bill Murray, delving into their legacies and why they should undoubtedly be inducted into the Hall of Fame. We also tackle the question of whether the Lonely Island crew deserves a spot on the ballot, and explore the impact of other SNL greats like Buck Henry, Dana Carvey, and Christopher Walken. Strap in for a whirlwind of passionate opinions and spirited debates about the show's most iconic contributors.

As we wrap up our discussion, we shift the focus to other nominees like Dana Carvey, Rosie Schuster, Jeff Richards, and Don Pardo, debating their merits and contributions to the show. We even consider the role of music in SNL's identity and touch on the possibility of an annual honorary award. Don't miss this exciting episode as we weigh in on who should be immortalized in the SNL Hall of Fame!

Transcript

0:00:08 - Speaker 1

It's the SNL Hall of Fame podcast with your host, jamie Dube, chief librarian Thomas Senna, and featuring Matt Bardille And now curator of the hall, jamie Dube. 

0:00:42 - Speaker 2

Hey and welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame round table. It's JD here and I'm glad to be joining you once again on the SNL Hall of Fame, a podcast which is a weekly affair. Each episode, we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest or writer and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity in the hall. Well, this isn't a normal episode. This is a very special episode. We have put all the nominations up, There have been 15 new nominees added to the remaining ballot And today we're going to invite some people to share their ballots and go from there. So why don't we introduce who we've got to? my immediate right is John Schneider. How are you doing, John? 

0:01:37 - Speaker 3

I'm doing great, Jamie. Always great to be here. Feet are wiped and ready to go. 

0:01:42 - Speaker 2

Excellent, oh, i didn't say it The one time I don't say it. 

0:01:46 - Speaker 3

We don't just say you know like it's not like a foot fetish thing. Jamie always introduces and tells people to wipe their feet. So it's not John being, you know, having a fit thing. 

0:01:56 - Speaker 4

I think John just kind of a little revealing about himself. actually, That's my takeaway. 

0:02:00 - Speaker 3

I mean, they do call this the SNL Hall of Feet. Right, That's where we are. 

0:02:04 - Speaker 4

Yes, of course John's not on his show, so he's getting a little racy. 

0:02:08 - Speaker 2

We don't got the teens listening in. He's got the host belt off. 

0:02:14 - Speaker 3

Let's go. 

0:02:16 - Speaker 2

All right, Andrew. Hey, how's it going I? 

0:02:19 - Speaker 5

am super duper, feeling great. It's very sunny here in Toronto. 

0:02:23 - Speaker 2

Excellent. And Andy Hogland, how are you doing? 

0:02:27 - Speaker 4

Hey, I'm going. Good man, It's Hogland. Though I'm just going to be straight, It's pronounced Hogland. 

0:02:31 - Speaker 2

Did I just do it. I just asked you and then I did it. 

0:02:34 - Speaker 4

You just asked me, so that's why I'm calling it out. 

0:02:35 - Speaker 2

Oh that's great. No, you can totally do that, because No, I'm feeling good, man. 

0:02:39 - Speaker 4

I'm surrounded by a couple of Canadians, which is cool. I've never had that before. It's like having an orgy with Justin Trudeau. Let's do this. I'm just keeping it racy. John set the tone. 

0:02:52 - Speaker 3

Yeah, I thought we were just doing foot stuff. Andy, You took it to a whole other level. 

0:02:57 - Speaker 2

All right, let's dive into our program today. The first thing I want to do is to remind everybody who is currently in the SNL Hall of Fame We've had two wonderful seasons and we've inducted three separate classes. The inaugural class was, of course, lauren Michaels. In this class of season one, we inducted Dan Ackroyd, chris Farley, tina Fey as a writer, phil Hartman, steve Martin as a host, eddie Murphy and Gilda Radner All, if they weren't noted, were cast members. Then the class of season two we had Alec Baldwin as a host, will Ferrell as a cast member, bill Hader as a cast member, tom Hanks as a host, norm MacDonald as a cast member, seth Meyers as a writer, mike Meyers as a cast member and Kristen Wiig as a cast member. So pretty highfalutin company to be rubbing elbows with. But we've got a really excellent list of nominees and I just want to go through them for you before we kick off the show, because this is a stellar list right here. 

Amy Poehler, beyonce, Bill Murray, bach, henry, candice Bergen, christopher Walken, conan O'Brien, dana Carvey, dave Grohl, dick Ebersol, drew Barrymore, elliott Gould, elvis Costello, emma Stone, frank and Davis, herb Sargent, jack Handy, james Downey, jan Hooks, jane Curtin, john Belushi, john Goodman, john Malaney, justin Timberlake, lily Tomlin, maya Rudolph, melissa McCarthy, michael O'Donohue, miley Cyrus, molly Shannon, paul McCartney, paul Rudd, paul Simon, paul LaPell, prince, rihanna, robert Smigel, scarlett Johansson, the Lonely Island and Tom Pretty and the Heartbreakers Guys, this would be a great if this was the lineup for the 50th anniversary show. you would be like that's a pretty freaking good lineup. 

0:05:06 - Speaker 4

And how did John Belushi get out of his get out of hell? 

0:05:11 - Speaker 2

Oh boy, oh boy, it's on already. Well, no comment, let's jump right into it. Then We'll start to my right with John, and the way we'll do this is John will announce one of his nominees. I will tabulate it here. I've got a little sheet that I'm keeping keeping score with to make sure that everybody stays in their allotment of 15 votes up to 15 votes and to make sure that everybody elects at least one of each of the four main categories. There's been a lot of questions with Dick Abrasall being nominated and he does not fall into any of the four categories. Currently He is a producer and that's where he'll stay. So John is going to name his first ballereteer and then I'll go to Andy and Andrew to ask if they have them on their ballot and we'll go from there. That's how this show is going to work. Let's do it, john, with your first pick. Who have you got? All right, you're on the clock. 

0:06:10 - Speaker 3

This is a stacked lineup of people to choose from, but looking through there is one person that I looked at this list and said there is no question whatsoever that they should not be on everyone's ballot. This person has to get into the SNL Hall of Fame and it might be a little bit of a hot take, an unconventional pick, but it's Amy Poehler. And the reason why it's Amy Poehler is because she has the highest sketch per episode average among women in the history of the show. If you take out Charlie Rocket, she's actually top four among everybody in the history of the show. Before she was on the show, the show was on for 28 years or 27 seasons. There had never been a woman who led a season in sketch appearances until Amy Poehler did that. To me she is fantastic. Did weekend update, had amazing characters, impressions, blended a couple of eras. To me she is a surefire Hall of Famer. Slam Dunk. 

0:07:10 - Speaker 2

Wow, you heard it here first. Folks Slam Dunk, Andy, what do you think? 

0:07:16 - Speaker 4

Respectfully, amy is not on my ballot. Actually I totally understand John's rationale. I will say just as a bit of context you know, when Ryan Tibbs, when he circulates all the Hall of Fame ballots for baseball every year, i'm always fascinated by the rationale that individual voters give or don't give. I just think it's really fascinating color. So just for the listeners to adjust their radio dials to my frequency a little bit. 

I followed two rules when I came up with my ballot. The first is Justice Potter Stewart's famous phrase where he described his threshold for obscenity in his 1964 landmark Supreme Court decision, jacob vs Ohio, and I know it when I see it, which is to mean I instinctively have a very pure bar for who belongs or does not belong in the Hall of Fame, like Ted Knight and Caddyshack. But the second is also like baseball sportswriters, i'm leaning a little bit towards the historic picks, you know, and I'm a little disinclined to give it to some of the newer cast members. So Amy unfortunately sort of fell into that category a little bit where I just my mind went to more towards people in the 70s or 80s And Amy I kind of associate with some of the newer eras, even though it has been 20 years So she's not on my ballot And honestly she kind of mugs it a little bit for me So I don't like the mugging and I was just disinclined with everyone else who was available. 

0:08:51 - Speaker 2

Wow, shots fired. Yeah, Andrew, Mr Clark, I can do that too. 

0:08:58 - Speaker 5

Yes, i did have Amy on my ballot because I think that she was important for the show, for the success of that show and making it sort of, you know, rejuvenate itself when it did. And also I kind of see Amy Poehler and Tina Fey as being very important as influences in comedians who are now in their early 20s, who are inspired by those two. So I kind of number one her contributions, the characters that she brought, the writing that she brought, all of those strengths And then also, i think, her importance almost as something that people aspire to become. So now we have all these wonderful young comedians, female and female identifying comedians, who are doing a lot of work. So I kind of give her her props. But I could see and I agree 100% with Andy that you know we're going to get as we go down the list. 

There are some people who are very, very significant in the history of the show In the 70s. It may be people who just started watching in the last five to 10 years who recognized who. We're going to disappoint each other today, i guess, is what I'm trying to say, but I got to tell you I think Amy belongs in the whole thing. 

0:10:11 - Speaker 4

Can I challenge John on air right now? You can do whatever you want. John, if I'm not mistaken, I believe you and I are aligned that several of Amy's years are among the shows worse, is that not accurate? 

0:10:28 - Speaker 3

Yes, there are a couple in there that are rough. 

0:10:33 - Speaker 4

So, john, i just want to throw that out, not to call out, but being the best of the worst, that is a crazy argument, stop this. 

0:10:42 - Speaker 3

I'm sorry this is a crazy argument, because if you're going to say that, then we're saying anyone who participated in those two years. The fact is that Amy Poehler was not a cast member for those two years. She was a cast member for much longer, like I said, for six years in a row, from 2002 to 2008,. every single season she led the cast in sketch appearances. To me, she dominated those years on the show which, by the way, weren't just those two bad years. they led into a golden era of the show, probably for the first time in a generation. So I respect and I will have people on my ballot who were on the show in the 70s and the 80s, but we're not doing the Hall of Fame of the 70s, we're doing the Hall of Fame of Saturday Night Live and, let's be real, amy Poehler has been a major part of the second half of the existence of the show. 

0:11:27 - Speaker 4

Yeah, no argument, just wanted to get that on the record briefly, just for full context, that John does think Amy's era is among the worst. 

0:11:37 - Speaker 3

I did not know. That is not what I think, but I'll fight you on that another time. 

0:11:44 - Speaker 2

Yeah, let's move forward here and, Andrew, we're going to continue with you. 

0:11:48 - Speaker 5

Okay, well, my pick is somebody who, without whom I don't think there would be have been any history of Saturday Night Live. It's someone who, when he sadly passed away, my friends and I held a toga party for which I was roundly punished by my parents. We were at the ripe old age of 16. I'm talking about John Belushi. So I believe that John Belushi absolutely has to be in the Hall of Fame because he and that cast, and him and Dan Acroy particularly, were really what made the whole thing explode. Chevy Chase was a huge part of it, but I think they were the engine that really ran the show And he was the first true, true breakout star. He had a much brighter trajectory, if you ask me, than Chevy Chase. I'm going to. I got to say John Belushi's hands down, in my opinion, has to be in. 

0:12:39 - Speaker 2

Great pick. 

0:12:40 - Speaker 4

Thank you, andy, totally agree, yeah, i mean. any words to use to describe John Belushi's legacy on SNL or in comedy have already been uttered before, so I don't have too much to contribute beyond that. continental divide is an underrated romantic comedy. 

0:13:00 - Speaker 2

All right, mr Schneider, he is definitely on the list. 

0:13:04 - Speaker 3

I'm of the belief that every original cast member should be in the Hall of Fame just by default for what it's worth. But you know there would be. You know Saturday Live was was good and Chevy obviously brought a lot, but there was nothing like the energy that John Belushi brought to the show, like he made it a, like he made it must watch television because he never knew what he was going to do on a given night, starting all the way from the beginning with the Joe Cocker stuff, moving to the Blues Brothers stuff, like everything. He was a force. So you know, like Andy said, there's been so much written about him. If you know SNL, you know John Belushi, even if he's been gone for so many years, and that's a testament to the legacy of him. So I think it's a no brainer to put him in. 

0:13:40 - Speaker 2

Yeah, so that's our first, our first, well, in honor of the new Zelda game, our first try for us. So, andy, who have you got up? 

0:13:51 - Speaker 4

I have Bill Murray, who is arguably the the most accomplished and talented cast member to come out of the show. You know, i think you know. All all things being equal, he does have a bit of asterisk on on his legacy, courtesy of Kiki Palmer, but nevertheless his accomplishments since living leaving 8h are Unrivaled. Give or take a ghostbuster, you know, oscar nomination or Wes Anderson collaboration. But look like, even those merits aside, you know Murray is a pivotal figure in the show's history, the first replacement cast member. There's been what like a hundred and seventy cast members in the show's history. Eight or nine, like John just mentioned, are that original 1975, you know, upstart, not ready for prime-time players. You know Murray sets the mold for joining a cast in midstream, which is a path that almost everyone else in the show's history has has had to emulate in one way or another. 

And Look, i'll be honest, i'm not in high school anymore. The, that combination of smarm and self-aware irony that made him a legend to Letterman fans and and the geeks and freaks and geeks. It doesn't quite do it for me as it as it once did, but still honker, the nerds, nick, the lounge slinger, his, his awards commentary on update. These are essential early SNL characters. The show simply post-chevy, doesn't exist without them. So that's my argument and stick into it. 

0:15:17 - Speaker 2

John, how do you feel about Bill Murray? 

0:15:19 - Speaker 3

Yeah, i totally agree. He's definitely a shoe in for me for the Hall of Fame. His analytics are off the charts. He's also a top five sketchbook episode. Um, get her in the in the history of the show. Just, he was producing every single night once he finally found his groove, i guess towards the end of season two, and he, you know, you don't think of him as when you look back at season three, four, five, lot of people don't think of him as the star. But he really really was. He was so good and did so much. And I Totally agree with Andy. I think that the show is in a dark, dark place if he doesn't jump onto it when he did so. For me I mean, think about that, right, we talk. You know, we may end up talking about Jim Downey at some point tonight. I mean the fact that that Bill Murray and Jim Downey joined the show to add some life into it. When the show is losing Chevy, i mean it just incredible stuff. So for me Can't, can't have a Hall of Fame without Bill Murray. 

0:16:08 - Speaker 5

Well, we're breaking all the rules of podcasting and radio by agreeing with one another. But yeah, i Bill Murray absolutely. Some people get changed by being on Saturday Night Live. Bill Murray changed Saturday Night Live. He didn't alter himself. I don't believe at all. When he went on that show He had deep us. You know second city chops. The reports about him when he was in Toronto are legendary How he would deal with hecklers, we'll just leave it at that. He didn't take crap from anybody and he's had an absolutely stunning career, dramatically and comedically right. And I work with Robin Duke, who's just retired at Humber, and you know some of the stories she talked about. Bill Murray sort of Helping her when she was on Groundhog Day and Explaining how the cameras worked and how you had to sort of act in order so the editing could happen Shows you that it's not only kind of a creative genius, it's a real technical skill and an understanding of how movies and stuff work. So I think that all goes together for Bill Murray. I agree He's absolutely should be in there. Great. 

0:17:15 - Speaker 2

Wow, another try, force, boom. Where are we at then? We're back to John, right, yeah? Okay, john, create some controversy. I. 

0:17:25 - Speaker 3

Mean, i think, controversy was already created, when I suppose so yeah, well, even even going into last season, when the biggest travesty to be left out of getting into the hall of fame to me was Jan Hooks because that was that was insane to me. I mean you're talking about you know, andy was talking about what he sees when he looks for in a cast member. The eye test is definitely there when I was going away. Yeah, i mean this is, this is insanity. 

I mean she comes in season 12, just is Incredible, like, just can do everything that you possibly would have wanted on the show, and Just the heart and soul of that second generation, the second golden era of the show, and obviously we lost her and 2014 and it was just, you know, her, you know thinking about the stuff She produced with Phil Hartman, and stuff is so heartwarming, so many great sketches, so many amazing impressions to me, you know, i always, you know, hear from people who were Just obsessed with Jan hooks, absolutely fell in love with her on the show, and it wasn't even just that. 

She was, you know, so beautiful in the way that she performed. She was just so naturally talented and gifted to be on the show and it was so important For the generation that was to come. You hear Tina Fey and Amy Poehler and my riddle talk about how Jan hooks was so important. Tina Fey put Jan hooks on 30 Rock at some point. You know, like that's the type of thing that you know, she. She left a legacy behind and to me she needs to be in all of him. 

0:18:48 - Speaker 2

Yeah, i agree. She finished last last vote with like what 40%, 39.8%. She's got a long hill ahead. I'm afraid it's not gonna happen in this bet. She's round for her either. But but I agree with you, it's shameful. She's she's an all-timer. She's an all-timer, you know She's in. She's in the female rush more right or the yeah, the female SNL cast rush more. 

0:19:10 - Speaker 4

Everything that John said about Amy Poehler is true about Jan hooks. I'm gonna do a hot take that minus the analytics. 

0:19:18 - Speaker 2

Well that's. 

0:19:18 - Speaker 4

That's Mike Murray. 

0:19:22 - Speaker 2

So you have, you have her, is it safe to say, then, in your Hall of Fame, andy. 

0:19:27 - Speaker 4

Absolutely, and it doesn't. I don't even know why, why we should justify it. It's just, it's so clear to me that she belongs there. Why? why even let's have like like 30 seconds of dead space and then just move on. 

0:19:42 - Speaker 5

Yeah, i mean, i think part of what Jan hook and people in that cast suffer from a little bit is that that skip between Internet and not internet. So a lot of the stuff comes later. And so the other cast members, the later cast members, their stuff is available online a lot more easily than Jan hook stuff Because when it's getting filmed it's not been signed off copyright for Dispersal on the web and everything, so it's you have to work harder to get some of it. So I think actually there's just people who haven't seen what she did with Phil Hartman as much. You kind of have to be a bit more of a of an aficionado. 

But yeah, there's absolutely no question that the stuff she did with just with Phil Hartman alone is so iconic for that show. I mean, it's hard to imagine her without and the range of characters and also doing a kind of She kind of epitomized, the kind of like I don't know how to put it not po, yeah, post feminist Anxed, being run through Reaganomics and then through the Clint near and everything that kind of. You know, there was always a real edge to her material, even if she was doing like a sweet domestic character. 

0:20:48 - Speaker 2

Oh, she was great. She was just great. I just recently watched the diner, the Alec Baldwin diner sketch, and just So, so funny. You know, she's just natural gosh. Okay, so far we've had hooks on all three ballots. Another try force That one actually makes a triangle in my little, in my little spreadsheet that I made. Wow, that's funny. So we're gonna come back to Andrew Clark and I'm gonna challenge you to do something other than a cast member. 

0:21:19 - Speaker 5

Okay, well for me then I would go with Christopher Walken as host. Great, even though I spoke about Elliot Gould as host this season. I and who and I would make an argument for him too. But it's hard to make the argument over Christopher Walken because of his relationship with the show. You can almost give it to him just for cowbell, because it's become. You know that when your sketch has its own range of t-shirts Not just a t-shirt but range you know you've entered the vernacular. I think Christopher Walken Was a sort of must-watch host. People will always be attentive. He again didn't let the show really change what he did. He sort of brought what he did into the show. The fact that he has so many iconic Recur like characters as a as a host, i think is a good argument for Christopher Walken to be, you know, in the Hall of Fame as a host. 

0:22:11 - Speaker 2

Great John or Andy to either of you have mr Walken in the Hall of Fame on your balance, Oh right. 

0:22:18 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean, look, he has his own best of right, he has recurring characters. I mean, you know I don't remember offhand Deferred a John on the number of times that he's literally hosted, but you know, it almost gets to the point where when you have that, that body of work, you know You're, you're not, you're not a cast member, but there's just so much there that your, your, you know your tombstone deserves a reference to. You know You're time with the show. So shout out to the, the continental. And yeah, i totally agree. 

0:22:49 - Speaker 3

Yeah, same here He was. I'll say he was a little bit more borderline for me. Nothing against Walken, he didn't make my ballot, but he was. He was close being cut because there's a lot of really good options this time, including among those. I don't think he I wouldn't put him in the upper pantheon of greatest hosts in the history of the show. I think he's probably I mean, unless you're gonna put all the five timers there But I think he's that like next grouping and he's probably near the top of that. So for me there was a few of those on the list and he just made it. 

0:23:20 - Speaker 2

Oh, wow, okay, you guys have agreed a lot, so we'll go to Andy and, andy, i'll challenge you to do the same thing, something that isn't in the cast member category. 

0:23:31 - Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah, no, not a challenge at all. It's the, the next name on my list. Matter of fact, it's, it's buck Henry. Bring him on as a host. You know, one of the, the early, important hosts who kind of validates the show right Cuz, because buck Henry belongs in a Different comedic generation. You know, get smart and all that you know. But he's he's, he's a steady presence during those, those for five years, lending, lending a lot of credibility. 

And then, if I recall correctly, is the host of the, the final show of that era To. You know, and and John mentioned Jan hooks on 30 Rock. I mean, as as as Jane Krasinski's mom, buck Henry, as as Liz lemons dad was, was always so funny to me. But I think his, his tenure on on SNL throughout those first five years Definitely warrants his inclusion onto the hall and and has one of the the darkest sketches in the, the show's history. And I love when, when the show kind of makes, makes a bold play like that and it makes Child molesting part of the fun. You know, cuz you don't see that enough People are so uptight when you agree, John. 

0:24:42 - Speaker 3

I mean can't, can't, not watch Uncle Roy. Yeah, i mean, i got to talk. I was blessed to get to talk about Buck Henry on one of the episodes of the SNL Hall thing, so I've made my case for him. I am as big of a fan as Buck Henry, as you know. Anyone could possibly be. I think he, like, is so good He people say Steve Martin could have been a cast member. Well, i think Buck Henry could have been a cast member. He fit in so seamlessly. 

We talked a lot about Buck being the one who would take the sketches that no one else wanted to take. That is such an important Rule as a host and I do believe for decades. When they, you know, bring on hosts, they use Buck Henry as a template for what they look for if a host will return or not. They judge them on the Buck Henry category, like did you do the buck stuff? and I think that he is just to me. We talked I mentioned, you know, the upper pantheon of hosts. I think he's in that, that top room of greatest hosts in the history of the show. 

0:25:39 - Speaker 5

Andrew, yeah, you're probably gonna regret me on the show because I'm just gonna keep going. Oh yeah, that guy was great. But with Buck Henry I think the other thing that he did for the show was he lent a certain gravitas to the show because you remember, he's someone who Work, you know, adapted cash 22, he did the owl in the pussycat, he worked as a co-writer on the graduate, so he's kind of like Hollywood Hip and so being on Saturday Night Live really I think gave that element to to the show and, of course, to him as well. And then he did. He did so fantastically and he's always so game. 

So I agree with John's point. Like, if you know, when you talk, when you hear people interviewed who was a great host, they always seem to say cast members It doesn't matter what cast say that the host was game, they were willing to try, they're willing to do something. And you got that in spades with Buck Henry. He was obviously happy to be there and, yeah, some seminal characters and and a lot of his work later. I still love his work in the player you know it's the graduate, but with the stroke I mean he had those improvisational chops that he brought to the show or heaven can wait. 

0:26:45 - Speaker 4

He's great in that. 

0:26:46 - Speaker 2

There you go another try for Stryforce. Holy John, will you throw a Curveball here and strike us out? I'm gonna challenge you again to Pick from another category. 

0:27:00 - Speaker 3

Sure, I would love to other than cast members. 

I mean I'm gonna try and do something that I've been trying to do since this podcast started, which is get the lonely island Into the Hall of Fame. I mean, what, what is going on with people? I mean, do they not realize that they changed Saturday Night Live for the better? like, the show you're watching now is Influenced by the Lonely Island more than most of the names on this list. Like, let's just be real. So You know, and and outside of SNL was often, you know, influenced by the Lonely Island, including a lot of things you see on social media now. So, but you know, for just talking about what happened on the show, i mean, these guys came in, they wrote Brilliant pre-tape sketches. They went viral. 

People who were not watching Saturday Night Live came back to the show because of the things that the Lonely Island was producing. They were largely responsible for creating cast members becoming huge stars And as hosts as well. I mean they would bring in, you know, hosts into these Music videos or sketches that they were doing and then people would learn and get to know these hosts and they would become bigger Stars outside of the show. And then, you know, every now and then, they throw in this random Music video with an artist that would just come in. It's like, oh my god, t-pain this year now, like just the craziness that they would get into. I mean, for there's a lot of hyperbole when it comes to the Lonely Island, but I think it's well deserved, because they are some of the greatest writers in the history of the show. 

0:28:19 - Speaker 2

Absolutely 100%. The most baffling thing so far that has occurred in in the Hall of Fame is the voting for the Lonely Island 52% to start and last year went up to 62.6%, just a smidge under the requisite 66.6, but I just can't figure it out. The. I've made a correction on the ballot this year and I've included any of the group for David Frank and the Davis, for example. I have a parenthetical Al Franken, tom Davis, i have for Lonely Island. I haven't broken down by their members too, so people can see maybe Andy Sandberg and Have a better understanding. We'll see, we'll see. Does anybody else have the Lonely Island on their ballot? 

0:29:07 - Speaker 5

I didn't, and I think that says more about me than it does. The Lonely Island, to be quite honest, because I think John made a very strong case and I think they're heard a little bit by being a group to be honest, and not just a person. And then when I think about McGroober, which is my favorite film of all time, and that it comes out of the Lonely Island with Jorma Directing it, that I'm almost to just make the Lonely Island put them back onto my ballot just based on that, that McGroober comes out of it, yeah, i would just say they weren't on mine. I think that has more to say about me than it does to say about the Lonely Island, quite honestly, because I Don't think at the time when I was watching it that I understood how important those videos were for bringing new viewers to the show via Online, not through traditional broadcast. And then, of course, later on, i don't want to go on and on, but, like you know, never stop, never stop, stopping. It comes out of it. 

Yeah, what was like one of my daughter had like on a loop. So I again I think I'm gonna plead the old man card slightly here and so I will yield, if need be to put them on. I'm gonna push over, i'm afraid, but but they weren't on, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to be. Do you have to be far too agreeable? I'm sorry, i apologize. 

0:30:21 - Speaker 2

I will start to be mean. Do you have space on your ballot? Did you use all 15 votes? I'd have to get rid of somebody. 

0:30:30 - Speaker 5

Let's see, it would have to be. It would have to be a writer, wouldn't it? Well see, i have Jackhand. Well, i shouldn't give it away, so I would have to give away somebody. Can I wait and see? 

0:30:42 - Speaker 3

Yes, We're gonna convince you Yeah. 

0:30:44 - Speaker 5

Yes, i'll put them on ice for Andy. 

0:30:47 - Speaker 2

Where are you at? Do you have a lonely island on yours? 

0:30:49 - Speaker 4

I'm embarrassed to say that they're not on mine. I I totally, totally agree with everything that John said. You know, we were definitely still in the shadow of the Lonely Island. You know, 15 years later. You know, please don't destroy P Davidson and Chris Redd, like these guys are making just really pale imitations of what Lonely Island did. And you can't write the the history of YouTube without Lonely Island, right? like you really can't. I'm embarrassed, but my philosophy going into this was it's they'll have time to to make it into the Hall of Fame. You know Buck Henry won't. You know Buck Henry's dead. He's not coming back. 

0:31:27 - Speaker 3

The list is not on the show anymore, andy. I just want you to know that they're not producing new content. They're both Buck Henry and the Lonely Islands. Their careers at SNL are done. Come back and host like there's, but this is not an. Andy Samberg hosting thing. This is the Lonely Island writers on the show as writers on the show See okay, Well, all right. 

0:31:46 - Speaker 2

Well, let's get cute about this, You know okay so you're gonna be nominated at some point, i'm sure. 

0:31:51 - Speaker 4

Hold on, let's, let's, let's just double check for a second. So it says Lonely Island as a writer. So that means it's not really the videos, right, it's about they wrote all the videos? Well, yes, but when you watch those videos you're like the writing is really what makes it here. You know, or is it Andy Samberg's performance, or is it T-Pain singing? So if we want to get cute for a second, maybe it's not that at all. 

0:32:16 - Speaker 3

It's. It's the writing. What this is insane. 

0:32:18 - Speaker 2

This is what you're. If you're a sketch troupe, you you know you're you're likely going to be Attributed writer status to everything you do, whether it's you know Performance or or not you know. 

0:32:34 - Speaker 4

I guess my point is maybe Right. It would be a Hall of Famer as a cast member. Maybe Lonely Island, maybe it's not their time yet, i don't know. There's there's a lot of, there's a lot of competitive people here and You know, if I want to justify myself Which I do, it's it's maybe the categories not right. Maybe they shouldn't be here as a writer right now. 

0:32:56 - Speaker 2

Interesting. 

0:32:57 - Speaker 3

Well, this is the most insane thing I've ever heard. I love Andy, i this is insane. Okay, nobody is walking around being like oh yeah, i love it. When Rihanna was like that, like oh yeah, that was that, you know. Like it was the Lonely Island It wasn't the people appearing in the sketches with them Like that was great, that was a cherry on top, but this is an insane take. Well, i'm not sure what that meant, but, okay, sorry you, you drove me nuts, that's what. I don't know who Rihanna is. First of all, sorry, canadians. 

0:33:31 - Speaker 4

Look, look, i mean, this is an important argument to have. I just wonder. I mean the McGroober thing that almost if you guys want to call me out on my BS here, you should say they wrote McGroober, they should be in, you know they wrote McGroober They should be in. 

0:33:49 - Speaker 3

There you go. 

0:33:51 - Speaker 5

I'm easily pushed around. I just want to establish that. I hope I've established that for anybody watching, listening at the moment. Yeah, i'm gonna come up tough soon, believe me. 

0:34:00 - Speaker 4

It was Samberg as a cast member, i'd be like, hmm, but I don't know. Does the whole group deserve to be in? yes, maybe maybe not a couple of cobley Maybe, so I think so. 

0:34:11 - Speaker 3

Sorry, jamie, i know, i know we don't like to do 20 minutes on the Lone Island, but I just have to ask just one more question. Yeah, just just just as sink Lee explained to me your thesis statement for why the Lonely Island should not be in the Hall of Fame right now. 

0:34:24 - Speaker 4

Absolutely So. As I said at the start of this podcast you know, if, john, you want to rewind a couple minutes I said that my approach is similar to the sports writers who, philosophically, have blinders on and say I'm not, not anyone from the stair from the steroids era. You know, there's sports writers who say Clemens bonds, they just don't deserve to be in. Or they say, oh well, maybe this person will get in on a later ballot, but right now, historically, i want to get Michael O'Donoghue in, or I want to get Harold Baines in, or whatever you know. So it's just that my argument is more philosophic than it is a Representation of their legacy on the show, because what you said actually was very eloquent and well put. But this is a competitive Conversation and there's a lot of other people who I think aren't in the Hall of Fame yet, you know, including Bill Murray, including, you know, for God's sakes, dana Carvey. They pick up the slots. The slots get eaten up, i'm sorry, by people who've been waiting for years, john, years. 

0:35:29 - Speaker 2

They've got the call now, though. 

0:35:31 - Speaker 4

Exactly. Think of Dana Carvey at home right now. You know with his sons What, how he's gonna feel when Jamie calls him and let him know. Do you want to deny? 

0:35:39 - Speaker 2

him that, no that he can win one of these. 

0:35:42 - Speaker 3

Oh wow. Let me just say to all the listeners as we wrap up this conversation Andy Hogan is unequivocally wrong about this. Please think about the history of the show and how influential these guys are. 

0:35:55 - Speaker 4

Think about how Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds aren't in the baseball Hall of Fame. That's where I'm coming from. 

0:36:01 - Speaker 2

Listen, they potentially cheated. They did cheat, but who? 

0:36:07 - Speaker 4

cares. So did Willie may. Willie mays cheated who cares? 

0:36:10 - Speaker 2

Yeah, I remember all right, all right. 

0:36:12 - Speaker 3

We were covering the show and then we found out that Yorma was doing steroids. Like how crazy was that. 

0:36:16 - Speaker 2

That's right. That's right. 

0:36:18 - Speaker 4

I'm sure they were cocaine is the steroids of Studio 8. age Balushi out Yeah right, all right, andrew. 

0:36:26 - Speaker 2

Who have you got next? 

0:36:28 - Speaker 5

I'm gonna make things a little controversial and I'm gonna pick Prince as the musical guest. Oh okay, i believe he was on four times. Every time is a home run. It's Prince, he's the greatest, like he should just get in on virtue of having been Prince. I'm a little bit of a fan, but I also think that Prince always brought a little bit of a sense of humor about himself, even when he was being the most Prince like, so to speak. And I also speak as someone who saw Prince live and He wasn't an absolutely Unquestionably probably one of the greatest performers I've ever seen. So I'm gonna say Prince as As musical guests. I want to put it out there Everybody, vote for Prince. 

0:37:17 - Speaker 2

Does anybody else have Prince on their ballot? 

0:37:20 - Speaker 3

I don't, i mean I love Prince, prince, i would die for you, but I just. But, yeah, i mean the musical guest category for me is as limited as possibly be because there are so many Like stacked people in the other categories. Yeah, so for me I had to pick one, maybe two, one that I think is at the top of that list, and fortunately there are other people that did have more influence on SNL than Prince did. 

0:37:46 - Speaker 2

I should think Prince has a career that the trajectory is similar to SNL. It's a few years off. But that first performance in 79 I think it is is like really, really good and He's sort of unknown. You know he's just this, you know Performer, one of those cool ones that you get to see on SNL and turns out they turn into you know A really big deal. And then the right parenthetical on the on the end of his career is just the legend of him playing the. It was the 40th right. 

0:38:20 - Speaker 5

That's right. 

0:38:21 - Speaker 2

The after party you know, so really interesting. Cool, andy, who have you got up next? 

0:38:27 - Speaker 4

My next person is Actually we talked about this briefly Dana Carvey. How is Dana Carvey not in this hall of fame yet? Is this really his first ballot? 

0:38:36 - Speaker 2

This is his first ballot. Yeah Well, because we produced the show where we You know having a lot of him every year. Right, it's staggered. It's just staggered across the board because I Didn't do, i didn't think of this idea in 1980. If I did, you know that would have been well, that's not here, nor that I mean to me. 

0:38:54 - Speaker 4

Dana Carvey, you could argue, is the best pure cast member in the show's history. So the fact that he's just now on the first ballot and isn't yet in the Hall of Fame, it raises a lot of Troubling questions. 

0:39:08 - Speaker 2

Do you think he will get a higher voting percentage Than the current holder, which is Will Ferrell? 

0:39:17 - Speaker 4

Probably not just because Will Ferrell came of age as a cast member with, with people who you know, maybe Participating this a little bit more. I mean, that's the only argument that I could really understand is that Carvey's, you know, made his debut 37 years ago, you know. so maybe people don't quite appreciate, but when I started watching SNL in the 90s I mean Garth Hansen, franz, Oh my god, absolutely, that's. 

0:39:42 - Speaker 2

That's why I started watching in 86. It's 91.8% is what will Ferrell got last year. 

0:39:48 - Speaker 3

Here's. The major difference, though, is that will Ferrell dominated his era, whereas Dana Carvey didn't. He's definitely on my ballot and I agree with the notion that he's one of the best Cast members of all time, but he is among a group of elite cast members, including Phil and Jen, and he slides into that generational group really well. But, yeah, the reason that I loved how Andy said best is because best is typically defined as having like the skill set to succeed on the show. Right, it's like are you a naturally born sketch performer that it was just built in a lab to do Saturday night live? Yeah, and a Carvey is that. 

0:40:23 - Speaker 4

So there's impressions. Yeah, i mean to John's point and this kind of goes back to our initial Conversation about Amy Poehler. You know, will Ferrell is on at a time that I wouldn't consider a golden age, you know. So he dominated. Yeah, dana Carvey is probably the best, or among the best, cast members of, obviously, a golden age, a second golden age Like murderers row, though it's like. 

0:40:52 - Speaker 2

You know how do you pick between Gary and and babe, right, you know what I mean. 

0:40:56 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean, they're both first balladers. 

0:40:58 - Speaker 5

Yeah, Yeah and he also. He's also working with Mike Myers, that's right. This is who's also and he's sort of garth to Mike. I mean that I would agree that he's definitely should be in, because if you try to order an SNL cast member over the phone and Then Amazon shipped it to your house, it would be Dana Carvey, right, right. He literally epitomizes all of the things that you would want and you know, i think he's, he's for me, he's, he's unquestionable. 

0:41:26 - Speaker 2

Cool, back to John. 

0:41:28 - Speaker 3

Yeah, so I'm gonna round out my cast category, if that's okay with you, jamie, with someone who I think was so important in the history of the show and that's Jane Curtin. She comes in to host weekend updates right after Chevy Chase and Jess absolutely crushes it, see. You know, shows everybody why. You know She was meant to do that job and it was. You know it was a man's world. 

Unfortunately, at the time a lot of people felt like it and like for her to break through that mold was so great. I mean, let alone not not not only the stuff on weekend update, but the fact that she would anchor sketches the way that she did and have like play that straight woman role so well, where she would be like you know, think about, like looks at books and sketches like that, where she would be side-by-side with Gilda Radner And Gilda would be doing a crazy character. Or her interactions with Emily Latella or Rosanna, rosanna Dana. She was like to me, the host of the 70s among the cast and She is one of my favorite cast members of all time, if I'm being completely honest. Just her ability to just show like the strength and poise that she did on that show when all this craziness was happening around her, so for me a she went as well great, nicely put Andrew. 

0:42:38 - Speaker 5

I got. You make some great points And I didn't have her. And again, it's no knock on her, but she wasn't there only because, although I think she was an integral part of that cast, if I had, if there was one person that maybe it's a terrible thing to say, honestly, it sounds like such an awful thing to say, but if she had not, if she, if she wasn't there, would it? would things be that much different? I don't know necessarily that they would, but you know, again, she's incredibly talented. Nobody we're discussing here is bad, let's put it that way. So if they're not getting it, it's not for any deficit on their part, and I think you're making some great points about her And I've heard those arguments made like, hey, jane Curtin was great. She's not getting her props by other people as well. So I don't think you're in a minority, john. So you know you make a good case, but she wasn't on mine. 

0:43:33 - Speaker 3

Can I? can I push back Andrew for a second? Because please? yeah, you discussed the like your argument is based in value, right? If you were to take Jane Curtin out, how does that change the 70s? So if you were to remove her from the cast? and then everything happens as is, so Chevy Chase leaves the show, who, to you, then replaces Chevy on update? and would that be better? Because I can't envision a scenario where that happens. 

0:43:55 - Speaker 5

Neither can I. I don't know how to answer that question. I think you make a good point. I guess it's more on the lines of I'm looking at my list and thinking who might? who would I bump for Jane Curtin? If it happens, i'd be happy. You know what I mean. If she gets in, i'll be super happy because I think she's absolutely brilliant. I guess you use the word host in a way. 

I think maybe she hasn't getting, hadn't got some of her credit because she was an anchor and maybe that's literally and figuratively, in an improv sense. She was an anchor at a lot of those scenes and the anchor doesn't always get all of the attention. You know, she's a little bit I hate to put like football analogy like the offensive lineman. They only get noticed if they make a mistake, if they do their job really well. It doesn't always get seen And I feel like in her cast maybe Jane Curtin was a little bit like that. There were other people getting all the press and she wasn't getting in the press for bad reasons, like bad behavior and those sorts of things. But I can't answer your question. I don't know who I would put in. 

0:44:52 - Speaker 3

I'm at somewhere right now. Jane Curtin is flashing her bra at the screen just hearing about getting some attention. 

0:44:59 - Speaker 5

Well, perhaps I hope so, John. she has Jane, I agree. I'm just getting dirty. 

0:45:10 - Speaker 2

All right, Andy, where are you with Jane Curtin? 

0:45:13 - Speaker 4

Well. So John detected I flinched a little bit when he brought her up and it's because, to be candid, about 10 minutes ago I realized, with the quirks of us picking one from each category, like Noah's Ark, i'd inadvertently left off a musical guest. So as we were talking, i had to remove Jane Curtin from my ballot. She was on there and I needed to add a musical guest. So, elvis Costello, today's your lucky day, but Jane Curtin unfortunately gets the stick, not the carrot. 

0:45:46 - Speaker 2

Wow, i'm pretty stunned. This is going to be an interesting vote this year. if you three are representative of the majority, i love to keep her on. 

0:45:58 - Speaker 4

But it's just the way this is set up. We have to include a musical guest Because, like I said, philosophically a part of me is like if Eminem's not on, i don't know if anyone deserves to be on. 

0:46:10 - Speaker 2

All right, andrew, your next pick. 

0:46:13 - Speaker 5

So then, I will be picking from the writer category because I picked a host, i picked a performer and I picked a musical guest, correct, right? And this is going to be very, very difficult for me because I spoke, i was happy enough to speak, about someone who I don't think I'm going to nominate Because does that make any sense? 

0:46:33 - Speaker 2

I mean, I think what you, the way it's put is, there's what? 45 nominees? 

0:46:39 - Speaker 5

Yeah, yeah. 

0:46:40 - Speaker 2

Something like that There's a lot of really talented people and you got to nominate one, but it doesn't mean that when you nominated them, maybe you were influenced by a couple of the other episodes. 

0:46:49 - Speaker 5

Well, no, i've got to. I got to go with James Downey as a first pilot. 

0:46:54 - Speaker 2

Yeah, I think so. 

0:46:55 - Speaker 5

I don't think there's. There's no show without him. He was the guy who also brought a certain impartiality to it And by that he always pushed back, whether it was left or right of center politically. He came to Humber and did a workshop for us and it was great to hear him talk about the work. And one thing I remember him saying was was student asked him about Norm MacDonald and the OJ Simpson jokes And why did they keep going? And I think he compared it almost to Thelma and Louise, like driving off the cliff, like they just couldn't stop. They didn't even dislike OJ or Embersol or any of those things, they just had to keep going. When you look at his influence, particularly on American elections, just some of his, yeah. So to me it's, it's Jim Downey for sure for the writer category, even though I would love to mention Jack Handy, who I'm a huge fan of. But I'm going to go James Downey for my pick today. 

0:47:48 - Speaker 2

Okay, well, you can have more than one writer. You can, you know you can do whatever you wish, but but I will say James Downey. I'm really interested to hear what Andy and John have to say to. Either of you have James Downey on your ballot, absolutely. You both do So, andy, tell us, tell us why he's on your ballot. 

0:48:06 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean, andrew, hit the nail on the head. You know Jim Downey was on the show. For what? Over 30 years. You know he's he's one of the most important writers in the show's history. He's one of the most important, you know, political, satirical minds or whatever However you want to put it. I love that. He's, even technically a former cast member. You know he just checks so many of the boxes and probably behind the scenes contributed to so many of the cast members that we love too, like he's talked about. You know his, his role helping Chris Farley with, with some of his characters and moments on the show, and not for nothing. Also want to shout out his, his role in there will be blood. Love his little part as Al Rose as well too. So I'm a huge Downey fan and he 100% gets my endorsement. 

0:49:00 - Speaker 3

John greatest writer in the history of the show No doubt gets in. 

0:49:04 - Speaker 5

Great, okay. Do you think that there will be blood appearance? was it was influenced by his appearance in? was it Tommy boy? 

0:49:12 - Speaker 4

or Billy Madison, billy Madison. 

0:49:15 - Speaker 5

That wonderful speech you know, I wonder. 

0:49:18 - Speaker 4

PT Anderson is a huge SNL fan, right Like he was there in those early 2000 days when he was courting Maya Rudolph. So yeah, probably I mean he's cast his smigol too in a in a punch drunk love. 

0:49:30 - Speaker 2

So oh wow, I didn't realize that was smigol Andy. Who have you got next on your ballot? 

0:49:38 - Speaker 4

The next person on my ballot and I apologize, i'm going alphabetical is Dick Ebersol, actually, who I don't know if that's going to be contentious or not, but you know, a part of me is like you can't write the history of the show without you. literally, he helps create the show in 70 and then he, you know, is such an important, you know voice behind the scenes that that allowed the show to exist until you know, norman Michaels came, came out of his hibernation, you know so there's no Eddie Murphy without you know, dick Ebersol, and just an important person in the history of American broadcasting. 

0:50:17 - Speaker 3

So why is there no Eddie Murphy without Dick Ebersol? 

0:50:21 - Speaker 4

Because while Eddie is under Gene Dominion's tenure, technically you know, ebersol is the one that doesn't fire Eddie and then allows Eddie to become as big as he does during his time of the show. But I appreciate the the pushback there. 

0:50:41 - Speaker 3

I was just gonna say like if you got delivered like a really good steak and it's like sitting on your desk like you're not going to eat it, Right, right, But he doesn't he doesn't, can Eddie either. 

0:50:49 - Speaker 4

You know, And I just I don't know. I think that it's still, you know, nevertheless it still exists, But I kind of think of it. As you know, the Hall of the Baseball Hall of Fame you got to, you got to have some executives in there too, you know. Or Melvin Miller should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame as well, Absolutely, And Ebersol, I think, is that kind of figure. 

0:51:13 - Speaker 2

So, yeah, that's my take An architect. 

0:51:15 - Speaker 4

Yes. 

0:51:16 - Speaker 2

Yes, john or Andrew is Ebersol on either of your ballots. 

0:51:22 - Speaker 3

He's not on my ballot for what it's worth. I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame and I think he should get the Lorne Michaels Honorary Award that you gave to Lorne to put in there, because I think he's of the category of his own. But I didn't put him in because, as he is known as his first name, he's kind of a dick, so I sort of left him off. 

0:51:42 - Speaker 4

Oh, that's the bar. 

0:51:43 - Speaker 3

Yeah, that's the bar. 

0:51:45 - Speaker 4

Isn't John Belushi on your list? 

0:51:47 - Speaker 3

Yeah, look, it's really hard to Oh Murray. No, the real reason, to be honest, is just, I'm looking through this and he makes no sense to put him in any category with any of these other people. So for me it's like his contributions are so different than everybody else here. It's like comparing apples and oranges to me, So I couldn't put him on my list, but I also know he needs to be in there. 

0:52:09 - Speaker 5

All right, okay, yeah, i didn't have him. I didn't have him, and you know there's some good points, but I don't know. I'd almost say, well then, maybe Rosie Schuster, only because she played an important part of those first few seasons. 

0:52:24 - Speaker 4

When did she run SNL? 

0:52:26 - Speaker 5

She never ran it but she certainly played a huge role creatively. I know It was Mary Delorn And this very funny wrote for Larry Sandershow, but I would demure, but I do think he should be in, so I just don't know where you put him. So I think an honorary exec category, maybe we should start. 

0:52:44 - Speaker 2

The Miller category. That's a great idea. All right, there's a lot of behind the scenes. 

0:52:48 - Speaker 5

People are for sure. 

0:52:50 - Speaker 2

Yeah, well, i even think the announcer. I can't think of his name right now off the top of my head. Don Pardo, don Pardo. 

0:52:57 - Speaker 4

Jesus. 

0:52:58 - Speaker 3

Louise, right, like Don Pardo, should be in for sure I would recommend to the committee at the SNL Hall of Fame to consider a once a year award to just give someone an auto pass in. 

0:53:09 - Speaker 4

Yeah, dick Ubersol, don Pardo, jeff Richards, patrick Weathers, eminem, eminem. 

0:53:14 - Speaker 5

Yeah, james Spoons, but I mean Andy's making a good point, because it was Dick Ubersol, along with Barry Dillard and a few others, who approached Lord Michael's a bit. So he's sort of like is the opening of the door, so to speak. Yeah, i don't know how influential he was in giving Lord Michael's a long run. I think it was 17 episodes or something that they guaranteed. But yeah, it's hard to imagine. but I guess it's spoiled for choice a little bit here. 

0:53:40 - Speaker 2

John, who have you got next? 

0:53:43 - Speaker 3

So I'll put somebody in from the musical guest category who, to me, is going in just for being for really fitting into all categories, and that would be Paul Simon. He is not in the Five Timers Club, but he is an amazing host and musical guest in the history of the show, also very influential and, a lot of you know, creative, i'm sure, but he's becoming very good friends with Lord Michael's. But yeah, i mean, paul Simon hosts the most unique episode in the history of Saturday Night Live. The second episode of the show has some really, really great appearances. You basically retire. 

0:54:18 - Speaker 2

Paul Simon variety show. you mean Yeah, yeah, basically exactly. 

0:54:23 - Speaker 3

Basically retires on the show, most recently when Seth Meyers hosted the show. He pretty much retired from music after that. But you can see his entire career throughout the history of the show And you know I wouldn't necessarily if someone says, hey, like John, who's the greatest musical guest in the history of the show, paul Simon wouldn't be top of mind. But because Paul Simon is in the musical guest category and he also has those hosting appearances and additional cameo appearances, for me just his contribution to the history of the show would lead him to be my number one musical guest choice. 

0:54:51 - Speaker 2

Does he appear on any other ballots? 

0:54:53 - Speaker 5

No, not mine, Just Prince. 

0:54:57 - Speaker 2

Because he's Prince. You already know. 

0:54:59 - Speaker 3

No, no no, Why not Paul Simon? Like? what's the reason for not putting Paul Simon on the ballot? 

0:55:05 - Speaker 5

I guess I just like Prince better, but I can't make any rational argument against Paul Simon, so I'll just plead the. Instead of pleading the fifth, i'll plead the Prince, but I think that next to Paul McCartney, maybe Lord Michaels has a thing for Paul's, but I think as a musical influence. And I think when and I don't want to speak for obviously I'm not speaking for Lord Michaels, but when you I think he always saw the show as part of that whole experience for that generation which was so music being so important. Paul McCartney and Paul Simon, the two Pauls, are the sort of musical anchors of that show, so to speak, and of course, sir, i think, part of his identity as a baby boomer and a member of that waves. 

0:55:51 - Speaker 2

How about you, Andy. 

0:55:53 - Speaker 4

I did not have him on my ballot, as mentioned. I'm just sort of disinclined to have musical guests on here. It's just not where I went. The one that I have is Elvis Costello, like I mentioned, but John makes a excellent historic argument in favor of Mr Simon. 

0:56:11 - Speaker 2

Okay, Let's move forward, then, with Andrew's next pick. 

0:56:16 - Speaker 5

I've got somewhat of a I think we'll be controversial pick, which is Maya Rudolph. 

0:56:23 - Speaker 2

Oh okay, Why do you think it's controversial? 

0:56:26 - Speaker 5

Well, i guess when we start looking at everybody, i mean everybody's so impressive. So maybe I'm just getting starstruck. But for my money Maya Rudolph should be in the Hall of Fame because of her unbelievable character work and her range. Especially the musically Bronx beat was always one of my favorite Sketches that she did with Amy Poehler. So I see her as someone who belongs in the Hall of Fame. But I think if you're looking, you know, and I'll leave it to Andy and John but historically I think you can argue for other people. Like you know, john could say how can you have Maya Rudolph in if you're not going to have Jen? or like how does that make any sense whatsoever? So I'm going partly on my own instinct and intuition, which is not always rational, but I'm going to say Maya Rudolph, i have that I, and she was pretty quick for me to pick her, so I'm going to go for Maya Rudolph. 

0:57:21 - Speaker 2

How about you, gentlemen, is Maya Rudolph on either of your ballots? No, and is there any remorse here There? 

0:57:29 - Speaker 3

is I mean like some what? 

you've heard or Yeah, i mean, look, personal taste, she's definitely on my ballot. I love her on the show. She was, you know, the you know actually watching it growing up. Her leaving the show was one of the most impactful losses I felt while watching the show because I think that she's so important and such a great cast member. But just in terms of where we are at right now in the SNL Hall of Fame voting, there are a lot of cast members I would put above her And even in her own era I don't think she was ever the number one cast member And right now I'm voting in people who are really like dominated the field. 

0:58:05 - Speaker 2

Yeah, And I mean you've only got what? four votes left as well At this point. You know it becomes, they become more valuable, sort of right. Right, All right, Andy. 

0:58:15 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean, look, i like my Rudolph Again. I'm just a little disinclined to have someone who you know is part of this millennium. That's just again how I went about it. I'm a little bit more slanted to people from the 70s, 80s, 90s. Actually I have a lot of writers on my ballot, to be honest. But that said, one other historic host that did make it that we've talked about briefly is Elliot Gould, again kind of similar to Buck Henry, just someone who you know gets the show early on, kind of brings some cashier when the show needs it, helps, makes it hip, and I think generally people just forget about what a big star Elliot Gould was in the 70s. Long goodbye and whatnot You know. So he's next up. You know, i'm not sure if my comrades are with me on this one, but I think you think about the Mount Rushmore of guests outside, steve Martin and Buck Henry in the 70s. You got to go with Elliot. 

0:59:19 - Speaker 3

Gould, i think in the 70s, is what is key here. That's why I don't have him on my list right now. I do think he is definitely a Hall of Amor, but I just think that there's hosts that are above him, that transcended multiple eras, that I think are more impactful. 

0:59:34 - Speaker 4

I would say Well, let's not forget about his season six stint where he's in bed with Denny Dillon and Gail Matthias and whatnot. 

0:59:42 - Speaker 3

I'm not forgetting about that, but I think like you know him hosting. Thank you, my best. 

I didn't. I just think in a span of you know those, i guess like five years in one episode. It's still like all in the same generation for the most part. So for me it was a debate for me between Christopher Walken and Elliot Gould, who would take that last spot on my ballot, and I'm pretty sure that Elliot Gould would make my next year's ballot. But I have other hosts that I think are more important or personally ones that I think are more impactful. 

1:00:11 - Speaker 5

Yeah, i mean, i was between Christopher Walken and Elliot Gould for me and I actually was able to talk about Elliot Gould on the show And I think you know your points are great. The other thing, of course, was you saw his musical chops. Like he had a musical theater background. I think every one of his opening model was as a musical number And he was the first one where the female cast members pretended to have a crush on him. He was the one who came on the show and canceled Star Trek. So he's a lot of really great stuff. 

And I think the other thing that was neat was his last appearance on the show. I don't know that if he knew, i don't think he knew Lorne Michaels was no longer producing the show. When he did the show, i think it was 1981. So I'm still sticking with Christopher Walken, but I think you'd make I agree To me it would be. It's it's walking, walking Gould, neck and neck to the finish line, and then it's a photo finish for me, based on just thinking that Christopher Walken has had more of an impact. But it's tough. 

1:01:08 - Speaker 2

All right, andy, that was your pick. We're back to you, john. 

1:01:13 - Speaker 3

Yeah, i'll go for some writers here that I think are largely influential on the history of the show, and that would be Franken and Davis. I think they, to me, you know, have to get in if you're thinking about important writers in the history of the show. 

Obviously, they come on and they are like really green at the beginning and just learning behind veterans like Herb Sargent and other you know writing styles on the show And then they pick up steam really quickly, write some really important sketches in the history of the show from the original era. Obviously, they then come back when Lauren comes back later on and Al Franken and Tom Davis are writing really great sketches in the second generation And Al Franken is, you know, sort of a pseudo cast member where he's appearing on Update a lot And for me they are a really important part of the creation and then continued existence of the show, so I would definitely put them in Great, that's a pick that I thought they were going to go into the first ballot. 

1:02:11 - Speaker 2

But I don't know if there's just a recency bias to our voters or whatnot. So my understanding is the bulk of what's remaining is going to be, you know, sort of 70s or 80s based stuff. So I just want to reiterate, if you're listening to this, really listen to the upcoming presentations, because these guys have to get in. They just have to get in And they only have 10 years. So you know, get it done sooner than later. That's what I would say. Does anybody else have anything to say about Franken and Davis? 

1:02:47 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean just to echo, john, that I mean they're two of the most important members of both golden eras. you know they come back and have an even more senior role behind the scenes during that late 80s stint, so to me it's a no brainer. you know, excluding the fact that Al Franken later goes on to become a US senator, which you know not for nothing, again shows the cultural weight of the show too. you know that you could be a writer and a producer and a cast member And that merits you an opportunity to be in the United States Senate. 

1:03:22 - Speaker 3

You could host SNL and then become president. 

1:03:24 - Speaker 4

Yeah, good God, but yeah, so just long story short. I think of all the writers you know. You think about the Jim Downey's The World and some of the other people on my ballot. Franken and Davis definitely are part of that group and deserve induction. 

1:03:41 - Speaker 5

All right, is this anybody else? Absolutely No, i agree. And do you think about? you know, just show us your guns. America that famous, if you like, having those short films on Sidenight Live. They're the pioneers of that right. Franken and Davis, that's what they're doing in those first seasons. So yeah, i think they are definite, no question. 

1:04:00 - Speaker 2

Are they on yours then? Yeah, and Andy, they were on yours as well. 

1:04:05 - Speaker 4

Yeah. Gosh when they don't mark it down. This is what I have to mark it down. 

1:04:09 - Speaker 2

No, this is great, Andrew. who have you got next on your ballot? 

1:04:14 - Speaker 5

Okay, that's another writer. Is that all right? That's totally all right. It's Jack Handy. Deep Thoughts with Jack Handy That's even more all right now. Who I think was just who? I'm a huge fan of Jack Handy. I think that in a show where the writers often have to disappear into the show, he was one of the first ones to come out of it. And you know, people thought Jack Handy wasn't a real person. They thought it was a made up name. People are always surprised that his name is actually Jack Handy. So for me, deep Thoughts with Jack Handy. Toons is the Driving Cat. What was it? Malphysians in Railway Engineering with Mark McKinney and George Clooney. It is another one Like. so I think Jack Handy's got to be in because he's so uniquely a part of the show, so important And also kind of a writer who became famous out of the show, which is something that doesn't happen that often. We see it more. but he was almost the first in a lot of respects. So I'm Jack Handy. 

1:05:16 - Speaker 2

You know, my my era of high school, there wouldn't be a Monday that one of your water cooler quotes wasn't, you know, one of Jack Handy's Deep Thoughts. It was just, it was just a ritual. So I'm real curious if Andy or John has Jack Handy on their ballots, John, how about you? 

1:05:39 - Speaker 3

I don't have Jack Handy on my ballot, i think he's yeah, i think he's really an amazing writer and probably like I mean, look, these nominees are all really great, like a lot of them are going to get in eventually, but right now I just think I have writers that are more influential in the long run in terms of the history of the show. I think that he's really niche in his writing, like a lot of times you know a Jack Handy sketch when you see it, in addition to all the Deep Thoughts and all that stuff. But for me, yeah, he didn't crack my list. 

1:06:11 - Speaker 2

Wow, You don't sound. you don't sound a fringe about it at all. 

1:06:16 - Speaker 3

No, I don't. I think that there's other people on this list that are in the upper pantheon of the history of the show. 

1:06:23 - Speaker 2

Fair enough, Andy. you said that you did have him. 

1:06:26 - Speaker 4

I did, i did, you know, i just I think, just because a writer has a singular voice should discount his influence or his legacy. I mean, andrew, you're rattling off some of his accomplishments. I don't think that you mentioned Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. 

1:06:41 - Speaker 5

Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer Yeah. 

1:06:42 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean, that's you know. you talk about having Phil Hartman. I mean, without Jack Handy there's no Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. right, i not to name name drop myself or whatever, but I wrote a love letter to Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer for Entertainment Weekly at the end of last year And just kind of talked about how, how that came about and why Jack Handy was such a brilliant writer, someone that everyone else looked up to. So, yeah, i mean, i think that this one is that was an easy one that someone like Jack Handy deserves to be on. So yeah, that's my stance on it. 

1:07:21 - Speaker 2

All right, so we've got two or three And now we will go to Andy for your next pick. 

1:07:30 - Speaker 4

All right. Well, so my next pick is I've mentioned this a couple of times I have Elvis Costello but to be honest, i beyond the fact that he was like banned and that's like an iconic moment. I don't have too much, i just needed to have a musical guest and You can switch to Prince if you want. 

Well, anyone, i'd go to Paul Simon, but you know I don't want to meddle too much. So that's Elvis Costello's case for you. Make of that what it will, what you will. And then the next one is just John Goodman having him as another iconic host. 

1:08:05 - Speaker 2

Does anybody else have Elvis Costello on their ballot? 

1:08:09 - Speaker 3

I don't, i don't, and for what it's worth, andy spent the majority of his podcast arguing about the cheaters in baseball, but he's perfectly fine putting someone banned from SNL on his ballot. Well, he, he eventually came back. 

1:08:21 - Speaker 2

He eventually got unbanned, yeah, yeah, and he was sort of a big moment at the 40th right. Yeah, yeah, okay, so let's go to Mr Goodman. 

1:08:30 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i mean John Goodman. I think there's there's an actual case to to make for that. You know John Goodman is is yet another cast member that that warrants his own best of you know had recurring characters. You know, is one of the people who would make appearances on his own, you know, and and played Linda Tripp And I think of that second golden age he's. He's one of the hosts that that jumps out along the lines of, you know, alec Baldwin and Tom Hanks. 

1:08:56 - Speaker 2

I feel like he's almost Baldwin before Baldwin, like he ran through through the course of the nineties as Baldwin was rolling down the hill becoming bigger and bigger and bigger on SNL, and then he stopped showing up and then Baldwin took over a lot of the same beats. You know, like a big friend of the show Does John Goodman show up anywhere else? 

1:09:16 - Speaker 3

For me, definitely. I mean there is. As far as accomplishments are concerned, there are five hosts I have in the upper pantheon of the history of the show, and that is Alec Baldwin, steve Martin, john Goodman, buck Henry and Tom Hanks. And you know, you have to put those, those five, in terms of like their collection of what they, they put there, and he hosted 11 seasons in a row, in a row, in a row. So it's like what do you? how can you argue that? 

1:09:43 - Speaker 2

Yes, you can't, you can't, can you Andrew? 

1:09:47 - Speaker 5

No, i mean it's the magic number 11. You know, it's pretty hard to beat And he had his own signature sketches and the fact that he was doing this when he was a part of in a very high moment in his career. He wouldn't be making time for Saturday Night Live. I didn't have him on my ballot, but I won't object. I mean you can definitely. I mean I'm still at Walken, i'm going, chris, for Walken, if there's just the one, obviously. But you, john Goodman, as I agree with John, he's in the top five for sure. 

1:10:17 - Speaker 2

Well, it's your ballot ultimately, but you've got a couple of things to make by the end of this show. 

1:10:23 - Speaker 4

Can I change my Elvis Costello to Paul Simon? Sure, of course you can, All right let's do that. Oh, then I'm taking away my John Goodman. 

1:10:30 - Speaker 5

Ok, Oh you wanted Prince. Prince, no, i'm just kidding. I'm not going to give it to John Goodman just because I think it's still walking for me. This, this kind of thing. I'm just going to just go around. But I agree he's a top five. 

1:10:44 - Speaker 2

So, goodman, and we're back to John Schneider, mr Saturday Night Network, what have you got for us? 

1:10:51 - Speaker 3

So my friend yeah, my friend Bill Kenney at the SNN would be very happy to know that I am going to put Robert Smigel on my ballot this time. I think that that yeah. 

I think that yeah, he made it because you know I thought a lot about that discussion. I had an argument with him last time we did this about Seth Meyers versus Robert Smigel, and now that's. You know, seth got in, we're good. So I can put Smigel on my ballot here because I really think that I think he's so, so influential, probably the most important writing hire in that second generation that's going to carry into him really like carrying a lot of the show through some of the dog days And you know, between that and then TV Funhouse and his ability to influence a generation with you know all of the his artistic work that he put into the show. I just have to say he is a definite on my ballot. 

1:11:41 - Speaker 2

Oh there's. I mean, is there a greater comedic architect? Like I mean, the 10, 15 years following SNN, his run at SNL, he was just doing things that became viral before. viral was cool And you know he's phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal. I'm curious if either you, john, would agree with John and I that he is phenomenal. Andy, i see you nodding, yeah, 100%. 

1:12:06 - Speaker 4

I mean you could make the case that Robert Smigel is the most important writer in the history of the show. You know, like I think that's an honest debate, you know with like the Jim Downey's of the world or what have you. you know, smigel has influenced so many cast members, so many sketches, he's done so much. you know it's like when you see that the Hans and Franz movie is now a podcast with Conan and. 

Dana Carvey and Kevin Nealon. You know the fact that it has Smigel's stamp of approval and his involvement alone. You know that it's going to be worth checking out, right? He's just. He's just got a high bar from trying to insult Comet Dog. I mean, he's just. He's such a prolific writer Yeah, i love almost anything that he's a part of. You know, like John mentioned TV Funhouse, and not for nothing. This is again a humble brag. I had the opportunity to talk to Robert Smigel at the Sandler Kennedy Center honors a couple months back. Just an incredibly gracious guy, and you can just tell that he's one of these people that's always behind the scenes making other things funnier, you know. 

Oh yeah, you can't overestimate or understate his role at that second golden era and just the things that he's been able to do with Sandler and Chris Rock and whatnot, over the years too. So thumbs up. 

1:13:29 - Speaker 2

Yeah, i'm on that. hell, Are you on that? 

1:13:31 - Speaker 5

hell, andrew, for it is absolutely. He's brilliant and you know, and has had an incredible career after, yeah, everything that has been said, I agree. And he brought a kind of pre-apic element to Sired Knight Live. There was a dangerousness to some of his work, which of course, manifest itself in the height with triumph, the insult Comet Dog, which is great. So I think Smigel for sure, he's great, he's got to be there. 

1:13:59 - Speaker 2

Awesome. Well, we'll stick with you, Andrew, with your second to last pick, because Andy and John each only have one left if they chose to use it. 

1:14:09 - Speaker 5

Oh, ok, well, it's someone you guys may or may not agree with, which is Michael O'Donohue. Ok, i do think that he has to be in the Hall of Fame because I think that if you understand his stature as a comedic presence in a writer company, a presence in a writer coming out of National Ampune at the time, his contribution to the show was pivotal And he brought that kind of weird absurdist prankster humor. You know, i think if you think of Andy Kaufman, you have to sort of also think of Michael O'Donohue. So you know, i think it was his impression of Elvis having a knitting needle stuck in his eye I'm paraphrasing And that kind of thing that's coming out of National Ampune, which is a fairly aggressive and transgressive publication. That was really pivotal. He's not there for a huge amount of time and he's not a huge, huge presence on screen, but when he's there he's important. So I'd make the case for him. But then you know again, as we've found today, there's so many great people. But I'm going to say Michael O'Donohue. 

1:15:14 - Speaker 2

I think divisive at the time, divisive so far in the Hall of Fame. Are we going to be divisive with the two other candidates here or two other panelists here? Andy has a thumbs up. I've just given it away, which is terrible, but Andy, tell us why. 

1:15:30 - Speaker 4

Yeah, i got the official biography of Mr Mike right here, dennis Perrin. So yeah, andrew just said it very well, i thought You know he's such an important voice early on. You know he pops up again in season six, so he's part of the lore and the mythology keeping SNL dangerous when it still wanted to be dangerous. And you know, not only is he an important writer or head writer, but he's a cast member and he's Mr Mike. You know he has the first SNL spin-off movie, i think. So yeah, he was the last person on my ballot, i mean looking over it. There's like the Justin Timberlake's of the world and John Mulaney's, but, as I've said throughout this episode, they'll have their time. Now's Mr Mike's time. Great, John. 

1:16:21 - Speaker 3

I had him on my ballot in previous seasons and I said that there should be like a room in the Hall of Fame named after Michael O'Donohue, Right, I think he's that important and he should get in. But he just didn't crack my ballot this time because it's just such a stacked lineup And I really felt like I can't argue against anything. Andy or Andrew said. It's just that he is, you know, I guess, limited to a certain era And that era really created the show. So I might be contradicting myself here, but I just felt like everyone else on my ballot probably had a strong case over him at this point. 

1:16:57 - Speaker 2

At the end of the day, we're trying to do this as objectively as we can, but there's, you know there's your taste is going to leak into that right. 

1:17:04 - Speaker 3

The love-hate relationship between the viewers of the show and even the people working at the show and Michael O'Donohue definitely is a factor in terms of how you're going to, i think for sure, and Bates and Michael O'Donohue, that's a stormy weather for sure. 

1:17:20 - Speaker 2

All right, John, who have you got as your final pick? 

1:17:24 - Speaker 3

Well, andy mentioned him very briefly but I'm bringing Sexy back. I could not have a ballot without Justin Timberlake because, yeah, i mean we talked a lot about the first generation, first Golden Era, the second Golden Era. Well, the third Golden Era's host of all hosts was Justin Timberlake. I mean, every time he came in it was an event You had to be there to watch. 

When Justin Timberlake hosted Saturday Night Live, he had like incredible sketches. I mean he just as a person, i mean his ability to like dance and act and sing and then involve that all with just putting on like an absolute show. I mean I've been to Justin Timberlake concerts so it's just like unreal what the guy does. I mean just watching Saturday Live and getting to see him on screen at the show to me is some of the most excited I've ever been to watch the show. 

Saying all of that, i miss him not being on the show. It's been a while since he's been there and I really would love to see him come back and host again. But you know, one of the last times that we got to see him on the show was opening up SNL 40, probably the most important and influential nights on my SNL, you know watching career and getting to see him open that up with Jimmy Fallon, and you know singing about the history of the show. I know he's a great appreciation for Saturday Night Live, so for me I just will. Every single season I have a spot for Justin Timberlake on my ballot. 

1:18:36 - Speaker 2

Justin Timberlake obviously does not appear on Andy's ballot. His is full. Andrew has one spot left. He's got a couple balls in the air, though, or does he stamp down and give us his 15th? 

1:18:50 - Speaker 5

So, Andrew, what have you got for us? Either I go for Justin or I put forward my last ballot, correct? 

1:18:58 - Speaker 3

Or you pick the Lonely Island. 

1:19:00 - Speaker 5

Or I pick the Lonely Island. So we're bartering now. I think everything that John said about Justin Timberlake who doesn't, by the way, need praise from me I think he's probably feeling OK, hopefully, wherever he is. But he was, he was an he's a fantastic host. You always want to make sure to see him. I always love the Barragib talk show, i mean, where he did very little but he did a lot. So just for that I'm almost inclined to go with John. But I kind of wanted to make an argument for my last person. So I guess I'm going to pass on Justin Timberlake All right, because I do think he'll get it down the line And you know, i just like to put it out there into the ether of my last person. 

1:19:41 - Speaker 2

Andy, was it ever even considered Justin Timberlake? 

1:19:46 - Speaker 4

Absolutely, it definitely was. Like I've said a few times, this was just a philosophic decision that people after the year 2000 should have a separate moment, and now is the time to get in some of the, some of the duster writers and some of the older people. Let's induct them, give them their moment in the hall, and then you know someone like Andy Sandberg or Justin Timberlake or John Mulaney. Those are like no brainers once you know, like Robert Smigel or Dana Carvey, for God's sakes, once they're in. But yeah, i mean John again said it very well, andrew, i think I'm aligned with you as well too, that you know Justin Timberlake, such an excellent host. I was actually just wondering about this the other day, why he hasn't come back to host in the last decade. John, do you have any, either observations or insights or gossip, because we know that you're on the inside, john, you probably know. 

1:20:44 - Speaker 3

I would venture to guess it's similar to a lot of hosts in the history of the show, which is when you go and host and you're alive and you bond with a specific cast and then all those people leave the show, you're less inclined to want to go back and then not know anybody in the room. 

1:20:58 - Speaker 4

So I guess he's in care of the Keenan and Colin Joestar still around. I guess not, because it is glaring that you know he comes up so often in the late 2000s and then all of a sudden it's like. 

1:21:12 - Speaker 2

I would say You can make the argument that that was concurrent with his sort of mainstream popularity. 

1:21:17 - Speaker 3

Well, yeah, i would say, there is. 

1:21:19 - Speaker 2

Not to take anything away from him, like you know. 

1:21:21 - Speaker 3

No for sure, but I would say there's a very reasonable chance. He hosts during season 50, which I believe. I would believe that those hosts for that season will be like just a roll of decks of the greatest hosts in the history of the show. 

1:21:33 - Speaker 4

Jamie, you just got a scoop. John is speaking from, like, mount High. Wow, he's got not Lauren in his ear, but people who talk to Lauren. 

1:21:42 - Speaker 2

Yes, You heard it here first. Those will be the uppercase of the tweet that goes up. Thank you for making it. 

1:21:49 - Speaker 3

You have to listen to an hour and a half of the show to get here. Yeah, that's right? 

1:21:53 - Speaker 2

Well, we only have one ballot left to reveal and, andrew, before you reveal that, i want to ask the three of you just something just as sort of a fun exercise. You don't have to answer now, you can wait till after Andrew presents his last ballot. But I just wonder, john, you brought up the 40th opened with Jimmy Fallon and Justin Timberlake, assuming they go with a duo again. Who does the 50th open up with? 

1:22:20 - Speaker 3

I always figured, and you don't have to answer now, but Okay, well, if you want my answer, I predict they will open with a redo of the Wolverine sketch. Oh, wow, that's great, that's not a scoop, that's just a guess. 

1:22:34 - Speaker 2

No, that's cool, That's cool. So who are the two actors then? 

1:22:38 - Speaker 3

I don't know, but it would be a derivative of Bulle, shia and Adonio. 

1:22:41 - Speaker 2

Okay, Anybody else want to partake in that little thought experiment, or should we move on? 

1:22:47 - Speaker 5

I like it's a very interesting theory. It's like the grassy knoll that it'll be the remake of the Wolverine. I hadn't thought of that. That would be very, very cool. You mean, like what? two people? Boy oh boy, i mean. 

1:22:59 - Speaker 2

Who are the 40th? like who of the? from season 40 to 50 is equivalent of Fallon and. 

1:23:07 - Speaker 3

Like Malani and Pete Danzen would probably be there. 

1:23:09 - Speaker 5

Yeah, I was going to say John Malani has to be there. 

1:23:14 - Speaker 3

Yeah or the 40s are also really well known for being the era of, like the women of SNL taking over the show. So I wouldn't argue against having Kate and Cecily do something like that too. 

1:23:23 - Speaker 5

Yeah, Actually Kate McKinnon and John Malani maybe, or something like that, Or the two. Yeah, you're right. 

1:23:29 - Speaker 2

Well, anyway, that was a little detour. Sorry folks, i know we're running long here, but we'll wrap up with this, basically Andrew's last ballot that he has to cast. Who is it, andrew? 

1:23:40 - Speaker 5

Well, you said to be impartial, but this one is not particularly impartial on my part. I'm casting my mind back to like 1995, 96, when Side Night Live is going through some turbulence. It was the first time I got to interview Lauren Michaels and I remember him saying that there were people unhappy with the cast And he said I don't know if it's funny or not, but I think it's funny And that's sort of summed it up And someone who made it through with David Spade and other people I'm talking about Molly Shannon. So I'm going to vote for Molly Shannon. 

She was always one of my personal favorites. I love her work. I love the exuberance and the innocence that she brings to a lot of her characters And I always think that. I think that she was a big part of that. I wouldn't call it a full renaissance, but there was a nice big shift in the mid 90s. I think she was a big part of that. I'd argue for Molly Shannon to be in the Hall of Fame, with the caveat that, you know, everybody else I've not everybody should be in, but unfortunately there's only so much room in the hall or it's not a hall, so then it's a living room. So I'm gonna say Molly Shannon, so I'll throw it out Great pick, great pick, the hall of very good. 

1:24:52 - Speaker 2

And she showed off her. she got to show off her chops again this year, so it'll be interesting to see how that affects her vote. You know having people have her thrust back into their memory. 

1:25:02 - Speaker 4

Well, she is very relevant these days. She's in the other two, like she has so many projects that are popular right now She was in white lotus. 

1:25:10 - Speaker 5

Yeah, white lotus, i love you for that. That on you, or whatever. And her memoir is really good. 

1:25:16 - Speaker 2

Did either of you guys ever think like for a moment that she would be on yours, or were you guys pretty locked in to your ballots? 

1:25:25 - Speaker 4

She probably should be, especially if we're talking about, you know, the historic significance of like Jane Hooks and stuff. I think some of that could be also shared with Molly. just a tough ballot man She's the first. 

1:25:38 - Speaker 2

She's the first Lorne run not ready for primetime player to come back and host. As a female right, i mean Julie-Louis Dreyfus. 

1:25:47 - Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, i think Molly Shannon is fantastic And I love her. I think she's so great, so important, but for me just didn't crack it, that's all right. 

1:25:57 - Speaker 2

Well, i think you gentlemen are all fantastic And I love that you did this today. This is really great. The your ballots will be in the show notes So people can see them And, you know, if you want, you can tweet it out and let people know where they can find this show and hear your riveting arguments on it. You guys were really great. Thank you so much, john. Where can people find more of your work? 

1:26:27 - Speaker 3

Well, right now we are dealing with a writer strike in real life, so the season 48 coverage ended a little bit abruptly, but we have now officially moved on to the post-season coverage of season 48. So if you really enjoyed getting to see everything from the season, you'll enjoy our wrap-up coverage from season 48, including our post-season round table. We also have a lot of analytics talk with Mike Murray, where we have our post-season by the number show And we go through every cast member on the Saturday Night Network and talk about their season from an analytics perspective. And then we have plenty of summer content coming around, including some interviews, snl stories and lots of fun summer series that we like to do at the Saturday Night Network. You can find us on YouTube, apple Podcasts, spotify and on social media at the SNL Network, facebook, twitter, tiktok and Instagram And thank you for having me back, jamie. 

1:27:13 - Speaker 2

Oh, it was great to have you, Andrew. where can people learn more about you or find out more about you? 

1:27:19 - Speaker 5

If you're interested, i write a column on driving a humor column on driving for the Globe and Mail, and I'm also to be found at Humber College running the comedy writing and performance program where we get a lot of interesting guests and podcasts and that kind of thing And I'm sketching out. My first book was the history of Canadian comedy called Stand and Deliver Inside Canadian Comedy, which may be one of the worst titles ever come up with if you're trying to sell a ton of books. But I am outlining a new book to look at, sort of a second wave of Canadian comedy, but you'll have to wait years. I might even get inducted into something by the time that comes up. So but it's been great to be here. I love talking about all this stuff And you guys are all super. Thanks. 

1:28:03 - Speaker 2

How do you Andy? how about you? 

1:28:07 - Speaker 4

Folks can check me out on Twitter. I'm one of the people on Twitter. My account is SNL in review. Also, i contribute to entertainment weekly places like Vulture if you want to check out some more of my writing, or also when John was talking about the SNL networks content. You can periodically find me on some of those, some of the older shows, some of the very original shows, but I'm on there. So thanks again for having me on this, jamie. This was really fun. So I'm excited to see who the next class is. 

1:28:40 - Speaker 2

Yeah, me too, and we'll find out on June 23rd of this year, next week in fact. So that'll be really a lot of fun. Thank you again so much. We'll talk to you all soon. And do me a favor as you're finding your way out, as you walk past the weekend update exhibit turn out the lights, because the SNL Hall of Fame is now closed ["Hall of Fame"]. 

1:29:09 - Speaker 1

Thanks for listening to the SNL Hall of Fame podcast. Make sure to rate, review, share and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on social media at SNLH-O-F. This is Doug Denance saying see you next week. ["hall of Fame"], thura. 

1:29:50 - Speaker 2

Thura podcast, some such. 

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