Cebuan (Cebby) Bliss (https://twitter.com/CebbyBliss) is a PhD candidate researching animal and biodiversity governance at Radboud University in the Netherlands (https://www.ru.nl/english/people/bliss-c/).


In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”


Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is also on the Sentientism YouTube Channel​​​​​​.


We discuss:


0:00 Welcome




1:03 Cebuan's Intro - from the corporate world to academia


- Environmental & animal welfare governance




4:17 What's Real?


- Growing up in the UK in a Christian religious context, but not in a religious family


- Having a naturalistic mindset from the start


- Linking food to animals & going vegetarian at 6 yrs old (later vegan)


- The commodification of life in animal agriculture


- Seeing foxhunting, shooting & other traditional "countryside pursuits"


- Atheism, agnosticism & developing an appreciation for eastern philosophy & spirituality through yoga




7:20 What Matters?


- Compassion, sentience & avoiding harm


- "May all beings be happy & free from suffering... may the thoughts, words and actions of my life contribute to the happiness and freedom for all."




11:55 Psychedelics, spiritualism & naturalism


- Psychedelics & the perspectives they can open up


- The precautionary principle. Acting in uncertainty


- Bayesian thinking & probability




14:37 Supernaturalism, Religion & Morality


- Using Holism "circle of life!" to justify harming/killing others


- The centrality of compassion




18:16 Moral Scope & Considerability


- Anthropocentrism, Sentiocentrism, Biocentrism, Ecocentrism


- Combining ecocentrism &  a compassionate animal welfare perspective. Compassionate conservation


- Invasive species governance


- How we categorise non-human animals (invasive, companion, farmed, vermin...) 


- Sentience as a grounding


- The instrumental or intrinsic value of ecosystems




25:00 The Future - breaking out of anthropocentrism


- Naturalism & sentiocentrism vs. social norms and indoctrination


- The damage caused by anthropocentrism


- EU Lisbon Treaty (2009) recognition of animal sentience


- Human cultures & customs & industry used as justification for harm & killing


- Transformative governance: Integrated, inclusive, informed, adaptive. Tackling root causes


- Changing entire systems. Social/economic...


- "Humans can be thought of as an invasive species"


- Invasive species can improve biodiversity




29:05 Sentientist Development Goals / Universal Declaration of Sentient Rights?




...and much more. Full show notes on YouTube and Sentientism.info




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