This episode draws on the experiences of two practitioners using systems thinking in low and middle income country contexts. We speak to two medical doctors about their work in India and in Syria, get insight from real-world applications, discuss challenges related to resources, training, environment, power, short term vs long term considerations.  Guests:Abdulkarim Ekzayez, epidemiologist, and research associate at King's College London Prashanth N S, Lead of the Health Equity Cluster and DBT/Wellcome Trust India Alliance Fellow, Institute of Public Health, Bengaluru