Emily Roese ("The Art of BODYCOMBAT") and Carol Guess and Elizabeth Colen ("Somehow Always Getting it Right") explore empathy, obsession, and intimacy in today's episode. Find more of Carol Guess's writing at carolguessbooks.com and find Elizabeth Colen's latest book, What Weaponry, at blacklawrence.com. Be sure to sign up for our newsletter (secondhandpodcast.com/newsletter) and review us on iTunes!