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Scouting The Refs Podcast

189 episodes - English - Latest episode: 6 days ago - ★★★★★ - 10 ratings

Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news updates, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. #RefsPodcast

The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out. 
Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports. Lewis is a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio. He’s also worked for TSN, Sportsnet as a host/anchor and is a producer of other programs. 
Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent site related to hockey officiating which follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.  

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Episodes

The Tortured Officials Department

April 19, 2024 22:00 - 30 minutes

We hereby conduct this week's Scouting the Refs Podcast... The playoff officials working the next fortnight's games are out! Referee Mike Sullivan is... ready for it as he makes his NHL debut; Kevin Shattenkirk is guilty as sin for stickwork from the bench; refs would've, should've, could've called a penalty for Habs' Slafkovsky's stick flip, Flyers fans need to calm down when referee Kelly Sutherland thought 'don't blame me' after he waved off a goal when he lost sight of the puck, the Islan...

You Pucked Up!

April 12, 2024 20:30 - 24 minutes

Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby calls out a linesman, referee Steve Kozari is injured in a collision with Tampa Bay Lightning’s Haydn Fleury, two new NHL referees make their league debuts as Graedy Hamilton and Stephen Hiff take the ice, with two more waiting for their starts.  We’ve got a goal line stand at Boston Bruins vs. Carolina Hurricanes, where a shot from the Canes’ Martin Necas just baaaaaarely crossed the goal line… or did it? And why can’t we be sure?! The rulebook fails...

Communication Breakdown

April 05, 2024 09:00 - 27 minutes

We've got a communication breakdown in Montreal as a Canadiens goal against the Florida Panthers is confirmed - then overturned due to a miscommunication between the Situation Room and the on-ice officials. (At least they got the call right!) Player Safety had a busy week, with Minnesota Wild's Hartman suspended for throwing a stick at a referee, Montreal Canadiens' Guhle suspended for slashing from the bench, Anaheim Ducks' Strome fined for cross-checking, and Philadelphia Flyers' Hathaway f...

Egregious Hits, Penalties, and Offsides

March 29, 2024 17:00 - 29 minutes

Detroit Red Wings broadcaster Ken Daniels joins Todd and Josh to discuss a revolutionary change to the offside rule that would increase scoring, reduce Coach's Challenges, and expand the size of the offensive zone. The NHL's Department of Player Safety issues a six-game suspension to Washington Capitals' Tom Wilson for an egregious high stick - which he reportedly won't appeal - and a $5000 fine to Buffalo Sabres defenseman Bowen Byram for some egregious interference on Ottawa Senators winger...

EBUL Alert!

March 22, 2024 20:00 - 26 minutes

Move, ref! Get out the way! Get out the way! Unintentional zebra hunting this week, as linesmen Tommy Hughes, Steve Barton, and Dan Kelly all find themselves on the receiving end of some unintentional contact; referee Chris Schlenker gets a primary assist; Mark Shewchyk steps up as the EBUL (Emergency Backup Linesman); and an unfortunate collision may be career-ending for referee Kevin Pollock. The NHL's Department of Player Safety hand out a two-game suspension to Florida Panthers' Dmitry Ku...

Torts Goes Tilt and Overtime Shenanigans

March 16, 2024 15:00 - 28 minutes

Philadelphia Flyers head coach John Tortorella gets ejected by referee Wes McCauley, then refuses to leave, resulting in a two-game suspension along with a $50,000 fine. New York Rangers' Matt Rempe gets a major, a game, and a four-game suspension for elbowing New Jersey Devils' Jonas Siegenthaler, while Ottawa Senators' Parker Kelly sits for two. Referee Gord Dwyer derails a potential goalie fight between the the Anaheim Ducks' John Gibson and Petr Mrazek of the Chicago Blackhawks. Player Sa...

Disappointed... but Not Surprised

March 09, 2024 20:00 - 23 minutes

On this week's Scouting the Refs Podcast: Longtime NHL referee Tom Kowal heads to the BC Hockey Hall of Fame, the NHL's Department of Player Safety issues fines to Minnesota Wild's Mats Zuccarello and Nashville Predators' Michael McCarron, and a suspension to Calgary Flames defenseman Martin Pospisil. No call, no fine after Colorado Avalanche's Josh Manson slashes Chicago Blackhawks' Connor Bedard -- or to New York Rangers' Matt Rempe for charging Toronto Maple Leafs' Ilya Lyubushkin. Plus, t...

Blades of Glory

March 02, 2024 16:00 - 22 minutes

We’ve got coach conflicts as the Toronto Maple Leafs’ Sheldon Keefe gets kicked out and Buffalo Sabres bench boss Don Granato puts his team down two men. A power outage at Lightning/Flyers, Hill keeps one skate blade in the crease, review rules a legal check for Trocheck, the PWHL brings back the ref cam – and hands out a major penalty and ejection. Plus, we’ve got a hot @#$%ing mic in Philly! Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram,...

Was That the Call of the Year?

February 24, 2024 21:00 - 24 minutes

New York Rangers' Matt Rempe gets ejected for an illegal check to the head of New Jersey Devils' Nathan Bastian, but don't expect a suspension. From the same game, defenseman Jacob Trouba delivers a legal hit, and Bastian gets away with instigating a fight in return. Islanders head coach Patrick Roy fails in his first Coach's Challenge in New York on a possible missed hand pass, Montreal Canadiens defenseman Mike Matheson hits Zach Benson of the Buffalo Sabres, and - whoops - a shorthanded ic...

The Puck's Not Dead Yet!

February 17, 2024 18:30 - 24 minutes

So, Ridly Grieg did a thing. Then Morgan Rielly did a thing. And then Player Safety did a thing. Now Rielly has appealed that thing. DOPS hands out $10k in fines to the Boston Bruins, with Matt Grzelcyk getting a major penalty and a fine for spearing the Caps' Max Pacioretty and goaltender Linus Ullmark picking up a fine for high-sticking Tampa Bay Lightning forward Mikey Eyssimont. Vancouver Canucks defenseman Nikita Zadorov gets a two-game suspension for a hit to the head of Detroit Red Win...

Mandatory Minimums

February 10, 2024 16:15 - 24 minutes

Breaking down the three-game suspension to Winnipeg Jets defenseman Brendan Dillon for his it on Pittsburgh Penguins' Noel Acciari. Dallas Stars forward Mason Marchment picks up a fine for an unpenalized hit on the Toronto Maple Leafs' Jake McCabe, while Calgary Flames defenseman Martin Pospisil gets ejected for a crosscheck to the face of Boston Bruins winger Brad Marchand that drew no further supplemental discipline. Should the NHL's Department of Player Safety build in some 'automatic' or ...

Can The Officials Actually Do That?

February 03, 2024 17:30 - 29 minutes

This week on the #RefsPodcast: A crazy situation from Canucks vs. Blue Jackets, where it looked like the officials changed the call - and the penalized player - via video review... which they're not exactly allowed to do. Todd and Josh also break down the No Goal for the Toronto Maple Leafs after goaltender interference from William Nylander cancelled out a Tyler Bertuzzi goal.  NHL Player Safety has a busy week with a 5-game suspension to Montreal Canadiens' Brendan Gallagher and a 2-game ba...

Everybody Missed It!

January 27, 2024 16:30 - 26 minutes

This week on the #RefsPodcast, a Pittsburgh player is wrongly incarcerated after the Penguins score an own goal while shorthanded -- Todd and Josh break down what exactly happened on this play. Also coming up this week: Player Safety springs into action with suspensions to Seattle Kraken's Yanni Gourde and Florida Panthers forward William Lockwood, along with a fine for Arizona Coyotes' Liam O'Brien on a play that failed to meet the automatic 10-game suspension. Plus, Sens' Vladimir Tarasenko...

A Lot of Touching

January 20, 2024 16:00 - 23 minutes

This week on the Scouting the Refs Podcast: Two goals at Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Calgary Flames that required a second look -- one for a missed hand pass and another for a kick to a stick and in. Todd and Josh break down both plays, along with a goal from Edmonton Oilers' Zach Hyman called back for an offside, some mid-air stickwork by Montreal Canadiens' Cole Caufield, officials' All-Star Game jerseys, and the impressive success of the Maple Leafs' video crew on Coach's Challenges. Also on t...

Two Too Many Men

January 13, 2024 19:00 - 24 minutes

On this week's #RefsPodcast: Two too many men on the ice penalties at the same time - something the NHL hasn't seen in over a decade. How does that happen? Plus, the PWHL's first all-female officiating crew, linesman Steve Barton gets bloodied but stays in the game, no goal for the Flyers... but that's okay, it wouldn't have counted anyway. Also, Todd and Josh discuss the NHL's increase in match penalties this season, Connor McDavid's thoughts on offside reviews - including the one on Leon Dr...

Catch and Release

January 05, 2024 23:00 - 29 minutes

On this week's #RefsPodcast: Arizona Coyotes' Jason Zucker suspended for boarding Florida Panthers' Nick Cousins, but nothing for the Cousins hit on Valimaki; Minnesota Wild's Ryan Hartman fined for avenging an injury to Kirill Kaprizov with a high stick to Winnipeg Jets' Cole Perfetti, New York Rangers' kickin' old school on a Chris Krieder skate goal, Seattle Kraken's Tomas Tatar plays the puck from the bench, the PWHL's inaugural season gets underway with new rules, closing your hand on th...

Holidays with the Husebys

December 21, 2023 22:00 - 34 minutes

It’s a pre-holiday extravaganza on the Scouting the Refs Podcast. Linesmen Chad and Cody Huseby join us to talk about their unexpected NHL debuts one year ago this week. Plus, New Jersey Devils’ Akira Schmid crosses the line, Boston Bruins’ David Pastrnak picks up five, refs get run over, the Detroit Red Wings watch the penalty clock, the Montreal Canadiens avoid losing a goal to a hand pass, and what the Frk was he doing with his skates in the air? Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scou...

Vigilante Justice

December 15, 2023 23:00 - 25 minutes

Now boarding... a whole bunch of NHL players. Breaking down the past week's boarding calls - and non-calls: Oilers' Kane on Wild's Brodin, Sabres' Robinson on Canadiens' Barron, Panthers' Cousins on Jackets' Gudbranson -- who decided to avenge the hit by taking the law into his own hands. The Wings' Perron took the same approach, picking up a six-game suspension for a crosscheck to the face after an injury to Larkin. Should players answer the bell for legal hits? Why does the NHLPA only seem ...

Winner, Winner, Chicken... Nugget?

December 08, 2023 00:00 - 26 minutes

Flyers coach John Tortorella calls the NHL the “No Hit League” after Garnet Hathaway gets ejected for boarding on a late icing call. Player Safety goes after both combatants in a stick-battle, handing a two-game suspension for New Jersey Devils defenseman Brendan Smith and a $5000 fine to Philadelphia Flyers’ Travis Konecny. Detroit Red Wings blueliner Jake Walman also picks up a high-sticking fine - for lower than the league maximum.A trio of suspensions in the FPHL for middle fingers, crotc...

Stop Hitting Yourself

December 01, 2023 21:00 - 27 minutes

The Florida Panthers found their way into a bunch of sticky situations, including an overturned shootout goal vs. the Toronto Maple Leafs and a controversial offside - make that ONside - against the Ottawa Senators. Referee Garrett Rank penalizes everybody on the ice, while Kyle Rehman offers up a penalty to Pittsburgh Penguins' Kris Letang. Plus, Todd and Josh discuss a late hit from Philadelphia Flyers' Garnet Hathaway on New Jersey Devils' Luke Hughes, a violent stick slash from Brendan Sm...

Dude, Where's My Stick?

November 26, 2023 02:00 - 21 minutes

Linesman Tyson Baker makes an amazing save after a fight, Calgary Flames' MacKenzie Weegar take a penalty -- then throws his stick to prompt a penalty shot. Nashville's Filip Forsberg gets away with closing his hand on the puck prior to a Preds goal, Rangers' Quick gives up a goal while gloveless... at least until a review. New Jersey's Jack Hughes scores after the whistle on a 'continuous play', and Anaheim's Jakob Silfverberg doesn't score at all, somehow, despite a lengthy review. Puck tra...

You Get an Instigator!

November 17, 2023 21:00 - 26 minutes

The instigator penalty makes a comeback, Bruins' Marchand mouths off, Habs' Gallagher lays into referee Pierre Lambert, Oilers' Draisaitl fined for taking out Horvat's knee, Wild's Duhaime tossed for Harley hit, Jackets' Kuraly has boarding major reduced after review, a Rangers' no-goal results in one of the longest reviews of the year, a quick whistle costs the Flames a goal vs. Leafs, CBJ's Fantilli penalized for 'sportsmanlike' conduct, and... finally... NHL NFTs! Visit scoutingtherefs.co...

Shock, Dismay, and the Ross Colton Wrecking Crew

November 09, 2023 23:00 - 23 minutes

Flames' Magiapane suspended for cross-check, Bruins' McAvoy has suspension upheld after appeal to commissioner Gary Bettman, Isles' Barzal fined for high-sticking Canes' DeAngelo, Canucks' Demko run over on Draisaitl goal, Colorado's Ross Colton picks up 17 penalty minutes and a fine, no penalty after Ducks' Henrique runs into Pens' Jarry, and Edmonton Oilers' coach Jay Woodcroft gets ejected by referee Kevin Pollock. Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports...

Heads, Shoulders, Knees, and Sticks

November 03, 2023 20:00 - 31 minutes

A pair of suspensions for hits to the head to Bruins' McAvoy and Sabres' Clifton, one non-call infuriates Nathan MacKinnon while another frustrates Maple Leafs fans, Ducks coach tossed after no-goal confirmed via review, Capitals’ Milano nearly scores after a high stick while Edmonton's Draisaitl tries to play with a broken one, and a knee-on-knee takes out Fox at Rangers vs. Canes. Todd and Josh also discuss recent officiating comments by agent Allan Walsh, review a pair of jerseys not tied ...

NHL Linesman Brian Murphy

October 26, 2023 20:00 - 36 minutes

This week, retired NHL linesman Brian Murphy joins the show to talk about his career, developing officials, and his upcoming induction into the US Hockey Hall of Fame.  Todd and Josh also cover a missed thrown stick at Kraken vs. Red Wings, Detroit’s Ben Chariot caught playing without a helmet, Ottawa Senators’ Brady Tkachuk picks up a late instigator penalty in a fight with the Sabres’ Alex Tuch, and Calgary’s Rasmus Andersson gets suspended and loses his appeal, the Washington Capitals lose...

Outta The Way, Ref!

October 20, 2023 19:00 - 24 minutes

Officials getting in the way, Tony D going off for going off, coaches vs. refs, Zub gets handsy, a plethora of penalty shots in the NHL, Coach's Challenges, suspensions and fines for OHL post-game brawl, and a case of double-goaltender intereference? Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads.. Email us your questions - [email protected] Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a mess...

Howden, Hathaway, Hastings, and More!

October 13, 2023 13:00 - 28 minutes

The NHL's Department of Player Safety hands out the first suspension and fine of the season, with two games to Howden and $5K to Danault. Kneeing and high-sticking calls downgraded after review, Bedard goes bucketless, and retired OHL/AHL linesman Kevin Hastings joins the show! Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads.. Email us your questions - [email protected] Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the...

Stone Walled in Preseason

October 09, 2023 18:21 - 19 minutes

Stone gets walled, Cole gets clipped, and Crosby shares his thoughts on Player Safety. Todd and Josh also tackle an illegal headshot from Pospisil on Perfetti, a legal high stick, listener email on 'game management', and a 25-game suspension in the WHL. Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a me...

Was It Something I Said?

September 29, 2023 19:00 - 19 minutes

The NHL's Department of Player Safety gets in some preseason action with a possible fine or suspension to LA's Arthur Kaliyev for kneeing. Todd and Josh also look at a knee from Chicago's Alex Vlasic, some unsportsmanlike language from Mikey Eyssimont, and referee Frederick L'Ecuyer lends the Blue Jackets a hand on goaltender interference. Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads.. Email us your questions - heyref@scouting...

Goaltender Exploration!

September 22, 2023 23:10 - 26 minutes

The NHL goes down under with two teams - and four officials - headed to Australia. Todd and Josh break down player suggestions for rule changes from ESPN and The Athletic, including extended power plays, removing the red line, allowing kicks and hand passes, overtime tweaks, goalie gear, high-stick goals, power-play killing on a shorthanded goal, and more. Also, the NHL addresses referees' post-game comments -- or the lack thereof.  Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @t...

New Refs, New Rules

September 15, 2023 20:59 - 24 minutes

With less than a month until the puck drops on the 2023-24 NHL season, Todd and Josh discuss the new refs joining the league and the new rules they'll be tasked to enforce. Also, three promotions, two departures, and the first suspension of the new season comes from the OHL. Hockey Canada Officiating Manager Dan Hanoomansingh also joins the show to talk about the Officiating Coaching Program, which looks to help develop those overseeing officials across Canada. Follow Dan on Twitter/X and Ins...

Preseason Countdowns & Post-Game Interviews

September 09, 2023 19:42 - 23 minutes

O'Rourke crosses the finish line on his Route 66 ride, the QMJHL kicks off the preseason under the ban on fighting, NHL Referee Ian Walsh retires, possible new hires to the NHL staff, checking up on coach's challenges, the impact of 'injuries' on the rule book... and should NHL refs do post-game interviews? Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at ...

Retired NHL Linesman Brad Lazarowich Talks BCHL

August 25, 2023 10:20 - 27 minutes

Retired NHL linesman Brad Lazarowich joins Todd and Josh as we count down the days to the start of the NHL season! After 30 years in the NHL, 1,971 regular season games, 204 playoff games, and 3 trips to the Stanley Cup Final, Laz has taken over the reins as the Vice President of Hockey Operations for the British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL), as well as the league's head of Player Safety. Brad talks about the benefits of his dual role, the upcoming BCHL season, his recent trip to the NHL Off...

Number Nine Hits Route 66, NHL Goes to Europe

July 21, 2023 12:55 - 22 minutes

It's Number 9 on Route 66 as NHL Referee Dan O'Rourke bikes for blindness, NHL Officiating Managers take a European Vacation for Summer Exposure Combine, officials forced to choose in BCHL vs. BC Hockey battle, Civian sticks up for the stripes, and reconsidering some rulebook rewrites - including a change to line changes.  Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] C...

Summer School with NHL's Jay Sharrers

July 06, 2023 20:27 - 28 minutes

School's out for summer? Not for retired NHL referee Jay Sharrers! The former NHL referee and linesman -- with over 1600 regular season games, 204 playoff matches, and seven trips to the Stanley Cup Final -- joins us to talk about life off the ice, working as an Officiating Manager in the National Hockey League, memorable coaching interactions, and the upcoming second annual Jay Sharrers Officiating School which takes place this August. The Jay Sharrers Officiating School is a 3-day ice hocke...

No Hall of Famers, No Golden Whistle

June 23, 2023 17:47 - 21 minutes

It took overtime of Game 7 in the American Hockey League... but the North American professional hockey season has finally come to a close! The trophies have been handed out, and the Hall of Famers inducted - without a new inductee in stripes. Looking at this year's class, the officials left out, and who should be in there. Also another year without an award for the league's top official; who's your Chadwick 'Big Whistle' Award nominee?   More on these topics, including video clips and rule b...

Continuous Play vs. Intent to Blow

June 16, 2023 19:05 - 26 minutes

It's over...  well, almost. While the NHL has handed out the Stanley Cup, the AHL's Calder Cup Final is still going! Todd and Josh break down a pair of Cup Final controversies, including Pietrangelo leaving the penalty box, along with 'continuous play' vs. 'intent to blow' on the Golden Knights' Game 5 goal after the whistle.  AHL Bears' Nelson speaks with the supervisors, the QMJHL cracks down on fighting, Sweden adds hitting to women's hockey, and a possible rule change on icing that flips ...

What a Knob!

June 09, 2023 20:36 - 25 minutes

Breaking down the opening games of the 2023 Stanley Cup Final from head to... knob. Vegas Golden Knights captain Mark Stone's stick job, a high-stick challenge, Barbashev's reverse hit on Gudas, down goes Eichel, and lots of misconduct by Florida Panthers forward Matthew Tkachuk.  More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your quest...

Making the Cut for the Stanley Cup Final

May 31, 2023 20:55 - 24 minutes

Take a moment to catch your breath before the Stanley Cup Final, with referee Kelly Sutherland mic'd up, the referees and linesmen working the Cup Final, the first female on-ice official enters the IIHF Hall of Fame, ECHL refs have an easy night, and the CHL looks at three major rule changes for the 2023-24 season -- all around penalties and power plays! More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingth...

Five for Stomping, Two for Falling Down

May 26, 2023 01:31 - 27 minutes

Stars' Benn suspended two games for cross-checking, Rank hits the links, five for stomping at the World Championship, double-dipping on Dallas, cup checking Tkachuk, a missed call on Ghost, and possible goaltender interference on the Panthers' series-winner vs. Carolina, and more! More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questi...

Prognosticating Icing

May 20, 2023 14:15 - 22 minutes

This Week, Todd and Josh discuss refereeing the sixth longest NHL game of all time, review the Panthers' OT winner overturned for goaltender interference, explain the no call after a high stick bloodies Ekholm, check out a penalty box altercation in the OHL with a happy ending, and attempt to explain hybrid icing.   More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter...

Koharski Returns: Nurse, Pietrangelo, and Improving Officiating

May 12, 2023 21:03 - 27 minutes

Retired NHL referee Don Koharski returns!  Koho, currently a rules analyst on TNT's NHL broadcasts, breaks down the Pietrangelo slash and the Nurse instigator. He also share some ideas on improving officiating, what the playoffs are like for refs, standby officials, potential rule changes, the evolution of hockey officiating, and how refs can get out of the way on the ice!   More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com...

Bad Calls... or Bad Rules?

May 05, 2023 20:05 - 25 minutes

Paul Maurice gets on a first-name basis with the refs, Sam Bennett vs. a pair of Leafs in Bunting and Knies; getting away with some unusual missed calls; a pair of big, questionable hits in Eberle on Cogliano and Trouba on Meier; The Athletic's Sean McIndoe dives deep into the rulebook, and NHL agent Allan Walsh on officiating.   More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewisspo...

Phantom Penalties and the High Stick That Wasn't

April 28, 2023 20:15 - 24 minutes

Getting officials and Player Safety on the same page, STR on ESPN, the high-stick that wasn't at Oilers/Kings, Makar's interference suspension, Foligno takes a knee... and some phantom penalties, Tkachuk and Lafferty fined for cross-checks, Maroon's boarding non-call, and more. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions...

Dave Jackson Returns to Talk NHL Playoffs

April 22, 2023 20:37 - 33 minutes

Retired NHL referee Dave Jackson - currently a rules analyst with ESPN - joins Todd and Josh to talk about the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, including how officials are selected and notified, playoff ref pairings, the role of series supervisors, and big plays of the week: Dumba's hit on Pavelski, Bunting on Cernak, goaltender interference, and more!  Follow Dave at @ESPNRefNHL. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingther...

What Can You Get For $5000?

April 16, 2023 13:32 - 23 minutes

$5,000 can buy you a lot of things... like  50 seconds worth of ice time for Connor McDavid.   For Winnipeg's Neal Pionk, it was the cost to deliver an illegal crosscheck.  Anaheim's Strome spent that much for a not-so-dangerous water bottle toss.  Also on this week's show, Todd and Josh break down a proposal from Carolina Hurricanes head coach Rod Brind'Amour's to overhaul officiating. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scouting...

NAHL's Next Shift with Keith Kaval and Kendall Hanley

April 14, 2023 20:40 - 26 minutes

Join us for a bonus episode this week where we sit down with the North American Hockey League's Director of Officiating Keith Kaval and Manager of Officiating Kendall Hanley to discuss the NAHL's Next Shift Initiative.  The Next Shift initiative is a collaborative effort between the North American Hockey League (NAHL) and the USA Hockey Officiating Program to recruit, develop, and advance brand new on-ice officials. The initiative is being implemented to target former hockey players who have...

Accidentally On Purpose

April 07, 2023 21:12 - 25 minutes

Referee Marc Joannette hangs 'em up, OHL's Officiating Combine, McLeod boards Dumoulin with no call, Sanderson wrongfully convicted of the dreaded 'puck-over-glass', a possible missed Coach's Challenge on a potential missed stoppage -- or not at Jackets vs. Leafs; we'll break down the play. Trouba taken out, Rooney goes for a ride, Killorn and Fox fined, and checking in with The Athletic's latest Rules Court with some inventive - and possibly historical - rule revisions.  More on these plays...

WTF Is Goaltender Interference?!

March 31, 2023 19:18 - 24 minutes

That's what Detroit head coach Derek Lalonde wanted to know before he was ejected from the Red Wings' game against the Penguins. We break down the initial play, the Coach's Challenge for goaltender interference, the rule, the announcement, and the fallout from the play.  Also the net goes off but the puck goes in on Marchenko's goal, shootout specifics, Habs' Hoffman weighs in after Lizotte gets suspended for cross-checking, McDavid's McBoarding, retired referee Brad Meier's debut as the NHL'...

A New High Score on Coach's Challenges!

March 24, 2023 21:06 - 26 minutes

It's a new NHL record! Four goals overturned by Coach's Challenges at Oilers/Sharks, two incidents in Habs/Bruins as Greer cross-checks Hoffman in the face and Marchand goes after Pitlick for a hit on Bergeron, Sergachev dumps Anderson into the goal frame, Oshie gets an instigator avenging a legal hit by Dumba, Hedman takes out Chychrun, Acciari boards Nelson with no call, the difference on scoring a goal or playing the puck with a high stick, and how the NHL sets standards across games and a...

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