SAY MORE
94 episodes - English - Latest episode: 22 days ago - ★★★★★ - 372 ratingsOlivia Gatwood and Melissa Lozada-Oliva are two internationally-renowned writers and performers who have a lot of questions about things that don't matter. But mostly, they are just two girls who are unfortunately not talking less.
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EP. 91 - MOTHERHOOD IS THAT YOU?
June 19, 2024 15:20 - 50 minutes - 119 MBMeli & Olivia talk about their shriveled up eggs at the historic age of 32, and imagine what it look like to be mothers.
EP. 89 - THE TRAUMA PLOT
June 04, 2024 22:05 - 1 hour - 97.4 MBa few listener emails including: an update on brian's bedbug saga and a story about The One That Got Away. then, m&o chat about trauma as a vehicle for storytelling: when it's overdone, when it's helpful, when it's actually Too Vulnerable To Be Shared. the prison journalism project is mentioned on this episode! check them out here: https://prisonjournalismproject.org/prison-newspaper-project/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9vqyBhCKARIsAIIcLMFhCS3v5c9XV4NMqdjzc86iVS8dqy5RC-FeP5gfX4pCB5ItRKr3vBY...
EP. 88 *bonus episode teaser* GAB HOUR
May 28, 2024 17:42 - 10 minutes - 103 MBTo listen to the rest of the episode, subscribe to patreon.com/saymorepodcast. the gals gab about whatever is on their mind including: lucy letby, RFK Jr. (one of these people is honest and it isn't RFK), and listener emails about a sweet karmic loop and finding love amidst the prison system.
EP. 87 - DO WE EVEN LIKE WRITING?
May 20, 2024 14:37 - 57 minutes - 82.1 MBM & O read an update from The Brian Bedbug Saga and an email from a listener about breeding kinks and chosen single parenthood. Then, they talk about the existential crises they experience each month around their careers, relevancy, creativity, productivity, and other shit that seems very Not Possible to Deal With when you're about to get your period.
EP. 85 - WRITING ABOUT GRIEF w/ AMY LIN
April 29, 2024 04:01 - 1 hour - 159 MBWe were overjoyed to talk with Amy Lin, author of the new memoir, HERE AFTER, which details her relationship with her late husband and his sudden passing, the singular experience of young windowhood, and how grief is a language in which we we all eventually become fluent.
EP. 84 - *bonus episode* - CANDELARIA & PICK ME GIRLS
April 22, 2024 04:11 - 5 minutes - 8.81 MBListen to the full episode on Patreon. It's here! Well, mostly. Here is a partial recording of our conversation at Skylight Books in Los Angeles, where we celebrated Melissa's novel Candelaria and talked about the caucasity of spin classes, abuelas surviving the apocalypse, and how archaeologists are similar to writers, among other things. The weird part is that the conversation cuts off once we start talking about an earthquake. SO. We spend the second half of the episode unpacking how inte...
EP. 83 - FATHERHOOD w/ LUCAS MANN
April 15, 2024 04:00 - 1 hour - 116 MBWe chat with author Lucas Mann about his most recent collection of essays, ATTACHMENTS, which unpacks the tender, scary, and hilarious experience of contemporary fatherhood. We talk about the impossible image of the Perfect Leftist Father, and the Lack of Personal Space when raising a child.
EP. 82 - *bonus episode* - WRITING ABOUT SEX
April 08, 2024 15:57 - 5 minutes - 8.85 MBTEASER. we help a listener through a tough friendship/roommate breakup and talk about how we go about writing about SEX. are u trying to turn your readers on or just show them something about the characters? are sex scenes meant to move the plot forward or are they just a fun break? we also discover we might be prudes.
EP. 81 - TRAD WIVES w/ GABY DEL VALLE
April 01, 2024 15:25 - 1 hour - 116 MBthe gals talk to trad-wife expert, gaby del valle, who has done extensive reporting on the women bringing old school homesteading onto the main feed.
EP. 80 - *bonus episode* - FROM POETRY TO FICTION
March 25, 2024 22:57 - 4 minutes - 7.84 MBMelissa & Olivia keep getting asked: what is it like to go from poetry to fiction. They talk about it! Also, listeners share a story about their end-of-times pastor grandpa and also ask: is it possible to escape writing commercial and institutional poetry? Only on patreon :)
EP. 79 - WRITING ABOUT FOOD
March 18, 2024 15:14 - 1 hour - 169 MBWe talk through a few listener emails about surviving your mid-twenties, surviving with a UTI on Survivor, and surviving a boss who keeps showing up to work with hickeys. After that, we talk about being hungry. Writing about food, eating while writing, forgetting to eat because we are writing, soylent (????), and why food is such an important detail when it comes to storytelling.
EP. 78 - *bonus episode* - A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF SLAM POETRY
March 12, 2024 15:20 - 10 minutes - 101 MBhead over to patreon.com/saymorepodcast to listen to the full episode! we got to sit down in real life with one of our closest friends & favorite writers, hieu minh nguyen. together, we got nostalgic about our wild (we were so corny) days of competing in poetry slam and how the artform influenced our professional lives as writers today (we are just really good at self-promotion).
EP. 77 - LOVE IS BLIND & POV
March 04, 2024 16:16 - 1 hour - 167 MBback with another HOME RUN. this week, the gal pals chat about their favorite high-brow television show, love is blind, as well as the infinite ways Point of View can change a story. if this were a dissertation, they would make clearer how these two themes are related, but you get it. right?
EP. 75: ROMANCE - A PROBE
February 19, 2024 17:46 - 1 hour - 151 MBIn honor of Melissa's favorite holiday, we are talking about love. We spoke with Puloma Ghosh, author of Mouth, about tropes in the romance genre, fan-fiction, and why women turn to romance in times of need. Order Puloma's short story collection wherever books are sold!
EP. 73 - AUTOFICTION & THE SELFHOOD PLOT
February 05, 2024 16:23 - 1 hour - 172 MBit's the new season of SAY MORE! thank you for waiting literally two years. this week, we are discussing the genre of autofiction — where it started, who's doing it, and our personal journey to adulthood aka choosing not to share every single thing about our private life in a nonfictional space. for next week's bonus episode, subscribe to our patreon at patreon.com/saymorepodcast, where you can also gain access our montly newsletter. we're so glad to be back xx
EP. 72 - ROCKSTARS, MISTRESSES, SURROGATES, THE MONARCHY
October 07, 2022 18:43 - 1 hour - 140 MBpop culture is truly losing it
EP. 71 - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN
September 21, 2022 17:59 - 50 minutes - 117 MBThe gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally deal.
EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES
March 19, 2022 17:11 - 1 hour - 145 MBM&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives.
EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY
January 28, 2022 18:23 - 54 minutes - 126 MBM&O talk (humbly) all things related to cumming: the different genres orgasm, the lack thereof, and why you can't trust your life decisions if you're having good sex.
EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES
January 18, 2022 02:35 - 1 hour - 147 MBAs Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, sexless in relationships, and a sudden burst of hyper-visibility.
EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON
December 10, 2021 19:41 - 1 hour - 172 MBOlivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of death, the afterlife, and their new book YOU BETTER BE LIGHTING.
EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men
October 15, 2021 15:08 - 49 minutes - 114 MBOlivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the era of sensitive men.
EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED
August 27, 2021 15:16 - 47 minutes - 109 MBO & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right?
EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS
June 20, 2021 16:53 - 1 hour - 156 MBM&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better.
EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART?
April 08, 2021 23:05 - 51 minutes - 118 MBMelissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't?
Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex
February 16, 2021 16:19 - 1 hour - 119 MBMelissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They also go into the nuances of being an abolitionist and what it means to publish former abusers.
EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING"
January 13, 2021 19:22 - 1 hour - 89.3 MBMelissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods.
EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES
December 24, 2020 21:29 - 57 minutes - 79.9 MBMelissa & Olivia talk about what could have been.
EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE
November 01, 2020 22:02 - 1 hour - 98.2 MBOlivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels.
EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE
November 01, 2020 22:02Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels.
EP. 58 - WHAT WE'RE CONSUMING
October 06, 2020 17:41 - 59 minutes - 82.5 MBAs in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know.
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October 06, 2020 17:41 - 57 minutes - 79.5 MBAs in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know.
EP. 57 - BEING PERFORMATIVE & CAPITALISM
August 07, 2020 17:16 - 1 hour - 102 MBM & O are back, chatting about whether or not they have personalities & what it means to exist inside of a society fueled by consumerism & class warfare :)
EP. 56 - CANCEL CULTURE
July 02, 2020 23:00 - 52 minutes - 73.6 MBMeli & Oli chat about Twitter, accountability, & what it means to be cancelled while working towards restorative justice.
EP. 55 - THE FOREMOTHERS OF PRISON ABOLITION
June 17, 2020 18:26 - 1 hour - 92.9 MBMelissa & Olivia talk extensively about the lives & work of Angela Davis, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Mariame Kaba.
EP. 54 - PRISON ABOLITION FOR DUMMIES
June 03, 2020 19:40 - 56 minutes - 79.3 MBMelissa & Olivia answer the five most common questions when talking about abolishing the police & prison.
EP. 53 - RUNNING IS MY BOYFRIEND w/ JOSEFINA OLIVA
May 27, 2020 15:55 - 40 minutes - 56 MBWe talk to Melissa's mom about falling in love with running after her divorce & how, committing to something for three months & then moving onto the next challenge, makes it your boyfriend.
EP. 52 - NORMAL PEOPLE & SEX ON SCREEN
May 20, 2020 20:05 - 1 hour - 99.8 MBO & M talk Normal People and performative sex.
EP. 51 - WHAT WE WANNA BE WHEN WE GROW UP & ALSO OUR BODIES WTF
May 13, 2020 21:52 - 58 minutes - 80.9 MBMelissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it.
EP. 51 - WHAT WE WANNA BE WHEN WE GROW UP
May 13, 2020 21:52 - 58 minutes - 80.7 MBMelissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it.
Say More 5.13 Sam Line Removed
May 13, 2020 21:52 - 58 minutes - 80.7 MBMelissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it.
EP. 50 - NIHILISM vs. PESSIMISM vs. OPTIMISM vs. ?????
May 07, 2020 17:12 - 55 minutes - 130 MBMelissa & Olivia have a little chat about whether they have hope themselves, the world, and the people inside it.
EP. 49 - GROUNDHOG DAY
May 02, 2020 23:12 - 43 minutes - 99.3 MBMelissa & Olivia recount what it is they do every single fucking day.
EP. 47 - WHAT THE FUCK IS COVID-19 w/ JILL GATWOOD
April 15, 2020 23:18 - 1 hour - 155 MBOlivia & Melissa interview Jill Gatwood AKA Olivia's mom who, yes, she still calls mommy. Old habits die hard. She's an epidemiologist so she knows a lot of stuff that's valuable right now.
EP. 46 - THE QUESTIONS WE HATE
April 08, 2020 18:26 - 1 hour - 153 MBMelissa and Olivia answer the questions that started this podcast in the first place: the questions they never want to answer but keep getting asked. But this time, they answer them beautifully and realize that maybe they weren't so bad after all. Does this sound like the summary of a YA novel?
EP. 45 - HOUSEPLANTS & ROMANTIC COMEDIES
April 01, 2020 18:09 - 57 minutes - 132 MBMelissa & Olivia chat about inheriting a green thumb & letting it bloom in the quarantine, as well as why romantic comedies are, perhaps, the most reliable genre of art throughout history.
EP. 44 - SOLITUDE HACKS & ELIZABETH WARREN
March 26, 2020 22:42 - 1 hour - 149 MBMelissa interviews Olivia about the fact that she was already social distancing & Olivia asks Melissa about her tumultuous relationship with Lizzy.
EP. 43 - HOMETOWNS
March 19, 2020 22:45 - 1 hour - 82.8 MBOlivia asks Melissa about her hometown (her mother's kitchen) and Melissa asks Olivia about her's (a desert filled with rusty refrigerators).
EP. 42 - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA w/ JOSHUA MCELROY
March 11, 2020 20:19 - 40 minutes - 93.3 MBMelissa & Olivia interview an Australian they met at Sundance, who is on a journey across America for the first time.