The SafeToNet Foundation's Safeguarding podcasts

Levelling Up and the Online Safety Bill with Damian Collins MP

January 22, 2022 08:12 - 50 minutes - 70 MB

In this Human Rights Safeguarding Podcast: the UK's Online Safety Bill with Damian Collins MP, the Bill's Scrutiny Committee's recommendations, the meaning of "harm", what offline laws apply to the online if any, Section 230, Francis Haugen, End-to-End Encryption (E2EE), the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, the role of Ofcom the Regulator and how they will ensure social media companies comply with this new legislation.

Digital Wallets & Dark Patterns of Persuasion with Rick Lane, Iggy Ventures

January 08, 2022 08:25 - 46 minutes - 63.3 MB

In this human rights safeguarding podcast with Rick Lane of Iggy Ventures, we discuss updates to Section 230, COPPA and the WhoIs issue, national security concerns caused by TikTok, the regulatory splinternet, digital wallets and why the US is a laggard in adoption, the 4th C of the CORE report, and a worked example of a COPPA-compliant digital wallet.

2021 Review... What a year!

December 18, 2021 06:50 - 53 minutes - 74.1 MB

Our 2021 review of Human Rights Safeguarding Podcasts includes many of this year's amazing guests. Topics include Addiction, Apple's NeuralHash CSAM, Age Verification, John Doe vs Twitter, WhoIS, County Lines, General Comment 25, pack-hunting predators, and the TriChan Takedown.

The 2021 Global Threat Assessment with Iain Drennan CEO WeProtect Global Alliance

December 04, 2021 07:28 - 47 minutes - 64.6 MB

In this Human Rights Safeguarding Podcast: Iain Drennan CEO WeProtect Global Alliance discusses the 2021 Global Threat Assessment report, research with the Technology Coalition, Economist Impact and Crisp Thinking, the Global Strategic Response, Online Sexual Harms and the seven recommendations they make for government, civil society and online service providers.

CSAM Users in the Dark Web with Tegan Insoll and Anna Ovaska, Protect Children

November 20, 2021 07:32 - 40 minutes - 55.1 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Anna Ovaska and Tegan Insoll from Finland's Protect Children we discuss their research programs "Help Us To Help You" and "No Need for Help”, the compassionate approach Protect Children takes to offender treatment, the drivers, motivations, attitudes and habits of CSAM consumers, and whether offenders's responses can be trusted. Our Safeguarding Podcasts are one of Feedspot's Top 10 UK Human Rights podcasts.

The Five Pillars with Sean Litton CEO Technology Coalition

November 06, 2021 06:57 - 41 minutes - 57.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast: Sean Litton CEO of the Technology Coalition discusses their Five Pillars to eliminate CSAM, Universal Video Hashing, universal Terms of Service, the UN CRC and General Comment 25, the need for Age Verification, their work with EVAC and WeProtect and the UK's draft Online Safety Bill. Our Safeguarding Podcasts are one of Feedspot's Top 10 UK Human Rights podcasts.

The Trichan Takedown with Lloyd Richardson and Professor Michael Salter

October 23, 2021 05:20 - 49 minutes - 67.4 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast: Lloyd Richardson Canadian Centre for Child Protection & Professor Michael Salter talk us through the Trichan Takedown, how ISPs fought against CSAM message boards and how some ISPs colluded with them, the role of CDNs such as Cloudflare in CSAM replication and sharing, and the evasive tactics used by the CSAM message board admins to hide their vast libraries of child abuse images and videos.

Hunters, Talkers & Loopers with HSI Special Agent Austin Berrier

October 09, 2021 04:53 - 45 minutes - 62.9 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast: Austin Berrier Homeland Securities Investigations Officer discusses the impact of Apple’s Child Safety tech on Law Enforcement, the live streaming of child sexual abuse on encrypted video streaming services, how online predatory pedophiles hunt in packs, Project Mercury and how Zoom worked with international law enforcement to indict 300 child abusers.

One Kind Word with Martha Evans, Director Anti-Bullying Alliance

September 25, 2021 05:57 - 33 minutes - 46 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Martha Evans, Director of the Anti-Bullying Alliance: The Children's Code and how it might impact cyberbullying, the impact of COVID on cyberbullying, ABA's Agreed Policy Recommendations, Marcus Rashford, Anti-Bullying Week and One Kind Word, the 12,000 children reallocated schools due to bullying and the need for a Government-led Annual National Bullying Survey.

Digital Crime Scenes : Digital DNA with Professor Hany Farid

September 11, 2021 05:04 - 52 minutes - 72.9 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Hany Farid, Professor at the University of California, Berkeley: PhotoDNA, what is is and how it works, what PhotoDNA doesn't do, what are Hashes and do they work in an End-to-End Encrypted world, is Apple's NeuralHash child safety proposal the incipient slippery slope as many claim, Apple's Secret Sharing Threshold and why that's a problem, and "WhatsApp's hypocrisy". Links to other relevant content: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of Apple's Curate's Eg...

Jane with Glen Pounder COO Child Rescue Coalition

August 28, 2021 03:49 - 47 minutes - 65.5 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Glen Pounder, COO Child Rescue Coalition: Apple's CSAM detection announcement, its impact on privacy, real time filtering in iMessage, Private Relay, Secret Sharing Threshold's weird 30 file trigger, photoDNA, hashing, real time encrypted streaming and Jane.

The Perfect Storm with Howard Taylor, Executive Director of the Global Partnership to End Violence Against Children

August 14, 2021 04:19 - 44 minutes - 61.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Howard Taylor, Executive Director of the Global Partnership to End Violence Against Children: the UN General Comment 25 of the UN CRC and what it means for online child safety, encryption and privacy versus safety, the EU's ePrivacy Temporary Derogation, the requirement for age appropriate design and the tech chicken and egg. Note that this was recorded before Apple's recent announcement about their plan to counter CSAM on the iOS and iCloud ecosystem whic...

Amy, Vicky, Andy & OCSE too with Thomas Mueller ECPAT

July 31, 2021 06:17 - 41 minutes - 57.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Thomas Mueller Deputy Executive Director of ECPAT, we discuss the international aspects of online child abuse, the impact of the Vietnam war on child abuse, the travel & tourism industry's involvement and what it can do, the impact of end-to-end encryption, child trafficking, compensation for victims and ECPAT's Summary Paper on Online Child Sexual Exploitation.

COVID, canals, Cuckoos & County Lines with Dr Grace Robinson

July 17, 2021 07:24 - 42 minutes - 59 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Dr Grace Robinson we discuss the language, business and impact of County Lines. What are "clean skins" and "gift girls"? Have COVID lockdowns stopped County Lines operating? Are children extorted into working them or is it a career choice? What can we learn from the Prohibition Era, and 10 recommendations for combatting County Lines.

The Hidden Addiction with Lucy Gardner and Kev Cleland, YGAM

July 03, 2021 07:05 - 43 minutes - 59.6 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Lucy Gardner & Kevin Cleland of YGAM we discuss the convergence of gaming and gambling, the shared techniques of each to hook their users into what YGAM call the Hidden Addiction. Is gambling addiction the same as gaming addiction? Also, the 2992% growth of e-Sports gambling during COVID lockdown, loot boxes, and how Louis Vuitton and other high fashion houses encourage skin gambling.

The Unseen Teen with Amanda Lenhart, Data & Society Research Institute

June 19, 2021 06:36 - 40 minutes - 55.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Amanda Lenhart of Data & Society Research Institute we discuss how Teens are an afterthought in the product design practices of social media companies, despite adolescents needing special attention. We discuss "screen time" and what wrong with it, imaginary users, the impact legal teams have on child-oriented product design, Strategic Ignorance, and the role that journalists and trade unions can have on adolescent digital wellbeing (whatever that is).

How Old Are EU? with Tony Allen CEO Age Check Certification Scheme

June 05, 2021 08:08 - 44 minutes - 60.8 MB

In this Safeguarding podcast with Tony Allen, CEO Age Check Certification Scheme, we discuss the five principles of the EUConsent project, age verification across the EU, the eIDAS Regulation, the dangers of age verification for children's data, age verification for delivery and the "gaping hole" in the UK's Online Safety Bill.

Bad News for Bad Guys with Glen Pounder, Child Rescue Coalition

May 22, 2021 06:07 - 37 minutes - 51.4 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Glen Pounder from the Child Rescue Coalition, we explore the Deep Web, explain how it works and the scale of CSAM sharing on it. We find out whether it's as safe as people think for the distribution of CSAM, discuss Section 230, whether social media platforms are in a no-win situation, why handset manufacturers are silent on child safety, and also the UK's Online Safety Bill.

Red Card! With Tony Kelly

May 08, 2021 06:05 - 39 minutes - 54.7 MB

In this SafeguardingPodcast with Tony Kelly, we discuss his life as a professional footballer, THAT goal, how his gambling addiction impacted his game and his book Red Card! A Bet You Can Win. We also discus the campaigning work he's doing with Kelly’s Red Card Gambling Support Project CIC to help young footballers, the Gambling Act and whether it's fit for purpose and the two big asks Tony wants implemented to safeguard children in particular from gambling addiction.

WhoIs the Problem? With Rick Lane, Iggy Ventures

April 24, 2021 07:19 - 41 minutes - 56.3 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Rick Lane of Iggy Ventures we discuss how the mismanagement of the internet causes online harms, how it's been made so opaque that no one can understand it, what the US Government could do to sort it out and whether the EU's GDPR is a threat to US national security.

John Doe vs Twitter with Lisa Haba & Peter Gentala

April 10, 2021 07:18 - 50 minutes - 70 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Lisa Haba partner at the Haba law firm and Peter Gentala, Senior Legal Counsel for the National Centre on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE) law centre. we discuss what recourse children have against social media companies who refuse to take down their intimate images. Victimised first by predators then allegedly by Twitter, John Doe is taking legal action in a true David vs Goliath fight. Could it change the world?

The Dirty Dozen with Haley McNamara, Director ICOSE

March 27, 2021 06:04 - 41 minutes - 57.9 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Haley McNamara Director of the International Centre on Sexual Exploitation (ICOSE) we discuss the Dirty Dozen report. Why are companies like Amazon, Twitch, Only Fans, Wish, Discord, Google Chromebooks, Verisign, Snapchat and Visa featured? We also discuss Age Verification, PornHub and the Creeper Act.

Tools for Today's Digital Parents with Stephen Balkam CEO FOSI

March 13, 2021 05:48 - 41 minutes - 56.5 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Stephen Balkam CEO FOSI we discuss their report "Tools for Today's Digital Parents" to keep their children safe online. We cover "resilience", Age Verification, Parental Controls vs "SafetyTech", the different attitudes towards and practices of online child safety by Millennial, Gen-X and Boomer parents, the six key takeaways from FOSI's report and what children themselves think.

Living In Hope with Denton Howard Executive Director INHOPE

February 27, 2021 05:04 - 45 minutes - 62.5 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss with Denton Howard Executive Director of INHOPE their international network of Hotlines, we explore the EU's Strategy for a More Effective Fight Against Child Sexual Abuse, ask whether the Child Abuse Directive is still fit for purpose and whether Project AviaTor has taken off, we discuss See No Evil Hear No Evil and examine why Holland has such a problem with CSAM.

The VoCo Manifesto & the Fox in the Hen Coop with Antonia Bayly, DCMS

February 13, 2021 05:26 - 44 minutes - 61.8 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss the VoCo Manifesto with Antonia Bayly Head of Safety by Design and Age Assurance Technologies DCMS. Age Assurance vs Age Verification vs Age Estimation, how it all works and the implications for online child safety.

Unintended Consequences and YSOs with Professor Elizabeth Letourneau

January 30, 2021 06:08 - 46 minutes - 64.3 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Professor Elizabeth Letourneau we discuss the unintended consequences of badly thought through laws and the harmful results of child sexual offender registers. Also YSOs and how they can prevent child sexual abuse, and whether child sexual abuse is inevitable.

2020 Vision: A Review of the Year

January 16, 2021 07:45 - 43 minutes - 60.1 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we review 2020's Safeguarding Podcasts with contributions from Sheila Taylor MBE, Baroness Sal Brinton, Sonya Ryan, Fred Langford, Ernie Allen, Anna Borgstrom, Lianna McDonald, Rick Lane, Professor Michael Salter, John Tanagho, Jenny Greensmith-Brennan, John Carr OBE, Susie Alegre & Sonia Livingstone OBE.

Porn stars in Superhero Suits: Internet Gaming Disorder with Michiel Smit

January 02, 2021 09:36 - 44 minutes - 61.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with neuroscientist Michiel Smit we explore Internet Gaming Disorder (IGD). We discuss what it is, the impact it has on different brain structures such as the Reward Network especially within the developing adolescent brain, how addiction in general works, purposefully addictive game design and compare IGD with cocaine usage.

Freedom of Thought: the Forgotten Right with Susie Alegre

December 19, 2020 07:27 - 34 minutes - 48 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast with Susie Alegre, international human rights lawyer and Barrister Associate at Doughty Street Chambers, we discuss Facebook's mind-machine interface. What impact does this have on our rights to private thought? Does this make the “Forgotten Right” even more of an imperative than it should be today? What relevance does a concept from the 17th century European Enlightenment have on 21st century digital media? And what does all this mean for children?

The Samaritans with Lydia Grace

December 05, 2020 01:49 - 33 minutes - 46.7 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss with Lydia Grace of the Samaritans their industry guidelines for managing self-harm and suicide content on websites and how to keep vulnerable people safe online. What was the motivation behind these guidelines? Is self-harming an effective coping strategy? What's the difference between "helpful" and "harmful content"? Is AI useful in this context? Why are children worried about reporting content they've seen and why does platform transparency about pr...

The COVID Impact with Sheila Taylor MBE NWG Network

November 21, 2020 07:52 - 39 minutes - 54.6 MB

COVID has of course impacted us all, but children especially so and in many different ways. Based on her presentation at the 2020 Inside Government's Tackling Child Sexual Exploitation conference, in this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss with Sheila Taylor MBE, CEO of the NWG Network, the impact of COVID on children, children's services, child sexual exploitation, domestic violence and what the positive outcomes of COVID might be.

Parenting for a Digital Future with Sonia Livingstone OBE

November 07, 2020 07:57 - 39 minutes - 54.7 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Sonia Livingstone OBE her book "Parenting for a Digital Future". How can parents derive maximum benefit for their children from the phenomenon of the risk-infused online space and digital technology in general? Is "screen time" relevant? Is it true that today's children, born into a world with iPad holders on prams, are digital natives and are their parents digital immigrants and either way, what does that mean?

The Age Appropriate Design Code with Steve Wood, ICO

October 24, 2020 07:34 - 43 minutes - 59.2 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast I'm joined by Steve Wood, Deputy Commissioner and Executive Director of the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) to discuss the Age Appropriate Design Code. Online data sits at the heart of the digital services that children use every day. From the moment a young person opens an app, data is gathered about them. What is the Age Appropriate Design Code, who does it apply to and how does it help protect children's most personal data?

Innovation is Illegal with John Carr OBE

October 10, 2020 07:16 - 42 minutes - 57.9 MB

In this safeguarding podcast with John Carr OBE, we discuss how the EU went wrong with GDPR, the EU's new ePrivacy regulation and how it will make CSAM detection innovation illegal. We ask what is WhoIs and why is this important? We also discuss how social media companies have dodged the requirement for parental consent and ask, given that the UK is leaving the EU, why EU regulations that protect children online matter to the UK.

Lock them up and throw away the key with Jenny Greensmith-Brennan, Safer Lives

September 26, 2020 08:14 - 42 minutes - 59.2 MB

In this safeguarding podcast with Jenny Greensmith-Brennan of Safer Lives, we ask is there a way other than prison of dealing with offenders? Is prison effective and is it offenders' biggest fear? What is the balance between retribution and justice? Is offender rehabilitation possible? What is the impact on the family of an abuser looking at images online? And what role does the media have in all this?

The Digital Sweetshop with Baroness Beeban Kidron

September 12, 2020 08:44 - 38 minutes - 53.7 MB

In this safeguarding podcast with Baroness Beeban Kidron of 5Rights, we discuss the rights of children online. What are the moral and legal obligations of businesses as far as children are concerned? How can large scale digital service providers encapsulate children's rights as defined by the UN CRC into their services? What are Age Appropriate Digital Services? Is "privacy" absolute and is that all that's needed for safety, and is Section230 the root of all evil?

The Supply & Demand of Encrypted Live Child Sex Abuse with John Tanagho IJM

August 29, 2020 07:48 - 45 minutes - 63.1 MB

In this safeguarding podcast John Tanagho of the International Justice Mission (IJM) discusses the Supply and Demand of privacy-enabled encrypted "Pay Per View & Direct" live streaming of child sexual abuse. Which are the Demand-side countries and which are the Supply-side countries? What are the socio-economic factors that create a market for predators to exploit in the undetectable privacy of end-to-end encrypted streaming services such as Zoom and the scale and growth of this trafficking ...

It's an unfathomable thing, with Greg Louie Principal Saratoga High School

August 15, 2020 07:40 - 40 minutes - 55.3 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss the issues for online safety that COVID19 has brought to Saratoga High School, USA. Principal Greg Louie discusses how his school has adapted to the challenges for the online safety of children while remote learning, how disadvantaged children are helped, the EdCode, WASC vs Ofsted and how teachers themselves need to adapt to the new world of "blended learning".

It's an Unfathomable Thing, with Greg Louie Principal Saratoga High School

August 15, 2020 07:40 - 40 minutes - 55.3 MB

In this Safeguarding Podcast we discuss the issues for online safety that COVID19 has brought to Saratoga High School, USA. Principal Greg Louie discusses how his school has adapted to the challenges for the online safety of children while remote learning, how disadvantaged children are helped, the EdCode, WASC vs Ofsted and how teachers themselves need to adapt to the new world of "blended learning".

The Marquis de Sade, the Libertines and the Internet with Professor Michael Salter

August 01, 2020 06:49 - 46 minutes - 64.2 MB

In this Safeguarding podcast we discuss the organised sexual abuse of children. Beyond the lurid headlines, how common is organised sexual abuse? What are the contexts in which organized abuse takes place? What indeed are the impacts on the victim? What part does the internet and social media play in its enactment? And what does the 18th century writer Marquis de Sade have to do with 21st century social media? ** Listener discretion advised **

The UN CRC, SDGs & VNRs with UN SRSG VAC Najat Maalla M’jid

July 18, 2020 06:20 - 44 minutes - 60.8 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Special Representative of the UN Secretary General on Violence Against Children, Najat Maalla M’jid, the UN CRC, what it is and the 4 under-pinning General Principles, the Optional Protocols, the Sustainable Development Goals especially SDG16, and the impact of COVID on meeting the 2030 targets. Also, VNRs, what they are and what’s missing to make them really effective.

OSTIA & the Strategic Inflection Point

July 04, 2020 07:35 - 35 minutes - 48.8 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss the fledgling Online SafetyTech Industry Association, OSTIA, with its Chair Ian Stevenson. Can a UK tech collective effectively tackle the Online Harms that US social media companies can't, or won't? Has "the internet" reached a Strategic Inflection Point and what would that mean? Is the UK Government breaching State Aid rules in its support of OSTIA? Will the next British Unicorn be an OSTIA member?

"Be more Moses" with Rabbi Diana Gerson

June 21, 2020 08:10 - 44 minutes - 61.1 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we talk to Rabbi Diana Gerson about the Jewish faith and its role in safeguarding children online, as well as Rabbi Gerson’s interfaith approach to the issue. Shomrim, mesirah, halakha, Yiddishkeit and how being more like Moses are all explored in relation to safeguarding children in the online digital context.

It's a cesspool - a discussion with NCOSE

June 06, 2020 07:04 - 35 minutes - 48.9 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we talk with Eleanor Kelly Gaetan, Director of Government Relations for the National Centre on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE) about the American legal system and US Federal legislation which is passed will have global ramifications. Although the EARN IT Act has bi-partisan support, "big tech is pretending that it cares about child protection and it doesn't give a damn". So what is the EARN IT Act and how will it work?

The UK as a World Leader in SafetyTech

May 26, 2020 22:59 - 44 minutes - 61.3 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Director of Perspective Economics Sam Donaldson, the DCMS sponsored inaugural report on the UK SafetyTech industry. Forwarded by Caroline Dinenage, the Minister of State for Digital and Culture, the report defines SafetyTech and explores its aims and ambitions, its funding, value and growth. Who are the major players, what's driving the demand for SafetyTech solutions and will we see a British SafetyTech unicorn?

An Analog Law in a Digital World: an interview with Simone Vibert

May 23, 2020 06:50 - 31 minutes - 43.7 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Simone Vibert, Senior Policy and Public Affairs Analyst, the unique powers of the Children's Commissioner's Office, what they are and what they aren't, the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on child online safety, the mental health services chasm, whether there's a fundamental flaw in the Online Harms white paper and the dubious practices of the online gaming industry.

An Analog Law in a Digital World

May 23, 2020 06:50 - 31 minutes - 43.7 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Simone Vibert, Senior Policy and Public Affairs Analyst, the unique powers of the Children's Commissioner's Office, what they are and what they aren't, the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on child online safety, the mental health services chasm, whether there's a fundamental flaw in the Online Harms white paper and the dubious practices of the online gaming industry.

The Man from the PRU

May 09, 2020 07:08 - 34 minutes - 47.9 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Iain Thomas Deputy Head of The Foundry College PRU, the devastating effect smart phones can have on children, how they are ensnared into County Lines and the impact this has on the child's education, attainment and on the College. We also discuss the impact of COVID-19 and the incredible outcomes the College and staff achieve with some of the most needful children.

Agents of the State: a discussion with Rick Lane

April 25, 2020 08:15 - 35 minutes - 48.4 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss with Rick Lane, formerly “the point person for cleaning up MySpace”, the legal issues around Section 230 and why social media platforms are fighting any change to the status quo which provides them with immunity from liability from what's on their platforms and we reach a startling and frightening conclusion as far as child online safety is concerned.

Missing the Target: A discussion with Anna Borgstrom of NetClean

April 11, 2020 06:21 - 37 minutes - 51.5 MB

In this safeguarding podcast we discuss the prevalence of child sexual abuse material (CSAM) in the corporate IT environment, it's scale and impact. We discover that IT teams typically don't have the specialist systems in place to find this illegal content, and that processes and procedures are inadvertently designed to make matters worse. What can corporate IT teams can do to eradicate from their IT estate? Listen to Anna Borgstrom, CEO of NetClean to find out.

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