S.S. Librarianship
100 episodes - English - Latest episode: almost 7 years ago - ★★★★★ - 4 ratingsWe're Alli & Sam. We met in a pub the night before our first day of library school, and since then we've been through a lot together - classes, jobs, weddings, D&D campaigns - always finding ourselves engrossed in wide-ranging conversations about television, film, books, technology, and what it means to be a young, nerdy, lady librarian in the 21st century. This podcast is our invitation to you to join our conversation. We hope you'll join us by sending in a question, comment, or topic for us to discuss on the show!
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Indefinite Hiatus
May 15, 2017 04:40Back in the heyday of Television Without Pity, when a show went off the air, they would often assign it the status of "Indefinite Hiatus." In some ways this was a brilliant flash of foresight about the future of TV - they were anticipating that some beloved shows would never be over for good in the age of Netflix and crowdfunding. But it always seemed, too, like a rather poetic nod to the fact that the media we love never really ends, because we can always return to it again and again, often...
Episode Eighty-One - "Short answer is... too bad?"
February 07, 2017 05:55This week, with very special guest Michael Wynne Mind Grapes: We get after those early December blockbusters! Doctor Strange, Arrival, and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them are all discussed. We also talk some books with The Expanse series, wildly popular television with The Great British Bake Off, and some real culture with the Star Trek Exhibit at the EMP in Seattle. Class Z(ed): Michael returns to the podcast to tell us about the continuation of his career. In his first appearance...
Episode Eighty - "Extroverts = VAMPIRES"
November 02, 2016 00:23This week with special guest Mary Jinglewski... SPOILER WARNINGS FOR WESTWORLD, THE FLASH, LEGENDS OF TOMORROW AND SUPERGIRL. Mind Grapes: Sam is super up-to-date and tells us about her latest TV obsession, Westworld. Mary has been getting into the DC Television family of products, especially Supergirl and The Flash. And medieval musicals? That's pretty much right up Alli's street with Galavant. Class Z(ed): In another edition of let's ask our friends about their cool jobs, Mary shares h...
Episode Seventy-Nine - "Don't you death-shame me!"
October 18, 2016 05:11This week with special guest host Melanie Cassidy and guest Matthew Murray... Mind Grapes: Matthew is on again, so that means comics! Lots of comic and manga suggestions from both Matthew and Melanie. Also a few additional podcasts - one new and one previously mentioned, but it has gotten super super good. Class Z(ed): The Comic Conference for Educators and Librarians was a tagged on event at San Diego Comic Con this year and was lovingly organized in no small part by our own Matthew Murra...
Episode Seventy-Eight - "Limp Wrists, Old Maids, and Diabolical Deviants"
September 21, 2016 03:42This week, with special guest Christina Neigel... BiblioFiles: We got to talking and just couldn't stop! Christing Neigel, amazing librarian, teacher, and now PhD student, talks to us about her research project that examines librarian stereotypes from the last couple of decades. This fascinating discussion weaves its way around trashy detective novels, terrible TV shows, and why the media may view librarians the way it does. Links: Reel Librarians (blog) The Aurora Teagarden Mysteries A...
SSL is enjoying a nice long weekend...
September 05, 2016 15:00...even though one of us had to spend part of it #saturdaylibrarianing. We'll see you back here September 19th with a brand new episode!
Episode Seventy-Seven - "Written in crayon and human blood."
August 23, 2016 05:52This Week... Mind Grapes: SPOILER WARNING! An idle question of "Hey, have you heard of this Stranger Things show?" turns into an internet sensation. Of course we saw it. It is fantastic (with reservations from Sam). But perhaps more shockingly - Sam's childhood remains intact after she did not hate Star Trek: Beyond. Class Z(ed): We return to this year's eBook Summit, where Sam was a presenter! We talk about the latest and greatest in library related ebook technology and initiatives. And s...
Episode Seventy-Six - "Open source toasters..."
July 26, 2016 06:42This week, with special guests Matthew Murray and Sara Allain Mind Grapes: You get comic recommendations! And YOU get comic recommendations! But first, Alli talks about her latest podcast binge, the wonderful 2 Dope Queens (showing especial appreciation for Hari Kondabolu’s story). Sara shares some of her latest comic loves in Fresh Romance, Girl Over Paris (a comic spun off from the novel Girl on a Wire), and Southern Cross. In a shocking change of pace, Matthew offers more comic suggesti...
Episode Seventy-Five - "I done gone drank the haterade..."
July 12, 2016 05:39This fortnight... Mind Grapes: Alli has been having less than perfect media experiences and complains bitterly about Ernest Cline's second novel, Armada, and the mostly disappointing latest handheld Mario title, Mario and Luigi Paper Jam. Sam also has complaints, but this time about the U.S. political docuseries, The Circus. We do, however, finish with some good reading - Lawrence Hill's The Illegal. ReRoll: Harkening back to episode 59 of the show ("We don't want to throw any babies out w...
Episode Seventy-Four - "Crazy Socialist Canadians."
June 29, 2016 06:30It's still June! We're good! This week... Mind Grapes: Sam is inspired by a recent episode of This American Life and Lindy West's new book Shrill to pick up Jes Baker's Things No One Tells Fat Girls. Alli was dragged to the Jane Austen adaptation Love and Friendship, but LOVED IT. But this weekend has been devoted to playing Blizzard's latest Overwatch. Speaking of games, Sam also plugs her latest podcast binge Cool Games Inc. Class Z(ed): It's been about a month, but this year's BC Libr...
Spring Hiatus
May 09, 2016 20:54Hello there, friends, nerds, librarians and all you ilk! Thanks again for all your comments and questions and tweets and retweets re our recent episodes on cruising and conventioning - we've loved hearing your enthusiasm for library outreach in nerdy spaces! As you may already know, we're in the midst of a little spring hiatus. One of us has a brother getting married (hi Theo!), we're both prepping for the BC Libraries Conference, and work has been kicking both of us in the butt in differen...
Episode Seventy-Three - "Feminism and Super Grover."
April 13, 2016 06:19This week... Mind Grapes: The Vancouver Public Library has been challenging its staff to read diverse books, and Sam is endeavoring to win the challenge! While she's won a few points with Ms. Marvel, she's hoping to get a few more with Erika Johansen's The Queen of the Tearling. To add to this, Alli recommends The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms by N. K. Jemisen, but doesn't want to spoil anything because it's too good. Instead, Alli offers a review of the second season of Daredevil, the second s...
Episode Seventy-Two - "...worth doing at least once."
March 15, 2016 02:52With very special guest Coxswain Jon... Mind Grapes: We get through our post-vacation blues by talking about some new stuff, re-reading some old stuff, and talking about reading very old stuff for the first time. Alli saw Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, the new Tina Fey vehicle about a war correspondent in Afghanistan. It was amazing. Jon has been re-reading an old favourite, Perdido Street Station by China Miéville, and talks about how it screws with the norms of Tolkienian fantasy. Sam decided her...
Episode Seventy-One - "We Saw a Star War"
February 15, 2016 20:55Mind Grapes: Since becoming mildly employed (as opposed to totally employed), Alli has been sinking hours and hours (and days) into Fallout 4. We talk about video games, Sam's slow progress in Portal, and how difficult it can be sometimes to break into a new nerd field that is kind of intimidating. To that end, we also discuss Sam's foray into older comics thanks to a Marvel Unlimited subscription. She suggests some titles and story arcs that would be good for comic noobs. Also, we saw a Sta...
Episode Seventy - "You got your chocolate in my peanut butter."
November 23, 2015 20:16This week... * SPOILER WARNING FOR SCREAM QUEENS AND CRIMSON PEAK * On a slightly overdue Halloween episode, we watch one of Fox's new fall lineup from the brains of Ryan Murphy and Brad Falchuk. In a collision of their other projects (American Horror Story and Glee), we watch the pilot episode of the super campy horror comedy show Scream Queens. We also launch into a surprisingly deep conversation with our resident horror expert Jon Newell and explore what it is that make horror comedy s...
Belated, but (hopefully) anticipated...
November 17, 2015 04:29OK, so, what with illnesses, cross-country trips for interviews and family gatherings, and just general autumn doldrums, we admit, it's been a while. We missed Halloween - and we love celebrating Halloween with you! But fear not, gentle listeners, for there is still NOIRVEMBER. Tune your RSS antenna this way next Monday, November 23rd for our latest celebration of this most ghoulish of seasons. Other news: holy heck, we're in the newspaper! One ep in and getting press already?? Thanks to o...
Episode Sixty-Nine - "The story of The Story and The Story."
October 27, 2015 06:32Things are a little different this week, and we like it! First up, Sarah Kift hosts us in an installment of her lovely The Story and The Story podcast. We talk our young love of books, our paths through scifi and fantasy, and how our reading pasts and presents inform us as women and librarians. Then we turn the mic, so to speak, for an edition of NERD ALERT! where Sarah tells us all about her journey as a fellow lady podcaster. Honestly, when it comes to this week's links, we don't even kno...
Comin' atcha next week...
October 18, 2015 22:23After an admittedly lengthy Thanksgiving break, S.S. Librarianship will return next week in a very special mash-up episode with The Story and The Story. Sarah invites us to open up about childhood reading habits and the place of books in our library lives, and then we turn the tables and interview Sarah about the process and progress of her new (and awesome) podcast. Stay tuned!
Episode Sixty-Eight - "...too peripheral to latch on to."
October 05, 2015 05:36This week... Mind Grapes: Very librarian. Much books. Wow. Literacy. Both Sam and Alli were feeling very bookish, so we share our thoughts on The Family Trade by Charles Stross, Redshirts by John Scalzi, The Book of Strange New Things by Michael Faber, and The Farm by Tom Rob Smith. We also talk about how we probably will go see The Martian, even though Matt Damon has been talking out of his butt lately. However, we also discuss some frustration with the idea that ALL BOOKS ARE NOW BECOMIN...
Episode Sixty-Seven - "I think I intended it to be more of a rant than it became..."
September 14, 2015 17:53This week... Mind Grapes: Alli finally saw Spy, so she and Sam are able to have some conversations around how it feels to have a woman of size who looks like us play a real spy movie hero person. Not going to lie, it's pretty cool. We then seque into another spy with Marvel's Agent Carter, which we are thrilled has been renewed for a second season. Yet amid all this good stuff, we are also frustrated by some of Marvel's choices with Ant Man when canonically, Wasp has been a much more import...
Episode Sixty-Six - "It's this great love story - between a girl and her rocket ship."
September 01, 2015 07:14This week, with very special guests Matthew Murray, Anna Ferri, and Meghan Whyte... Mind Grapes: Our guests this week are founders of The Book Club for Masochists, which every month is dealt a random genre for the members to try to read. This month, they have psychological thrillers, which is, apparently, a challenge. Meghan, however, has enjoyed the thriller Dare Me by Megan Abbot. She's also been enjoying the different takes on feminism in Roxanne Gay's Bad Feminist. Anna's been trying to...
Episode Sixty-Five - "...really amazing things can happen."
August 17, 2015 17:08This week with very special guest Cecily Walker... Mind Grapes: Alli gets Cecily and Sam hooked on the original Netflix series BoJack Horseman - a show about anthropomorphic animals that tells an extremely human story. Cecily talks about her most recent binge-watch obsession in the form of Korean Dramas. Sam's been on a reading kick and tells us all about Neil Smith's weird and wonderful novel Boo. Class Z(ed): We have a fascinating conversation with Digital Services librarian Cecily Walk...
Happy Civic Holiday!
August 03, 2015 23:19To our Canadian friends, happy Civic Holiday, wherever you may be! To our non-Canadian friends, sorry chaps, but we are taking our Civic Holiday and running with it. We'll be back in two weeks with what we hope will be a doozy of a episode.
Episode Sixty-Four - "Free market, or something?"
July 21, 2015 06:09This week... Mind Grapes: It's hot, so thinking deeply is not really a priority right now. Alli has four words for you: Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries. Also a brief foray in to the film The Sapphires in a display of Australian media love. Sam talks about a new podcast that we have both been enjoying with Brent Black and Travis McElroy in Trends Like These - a discussion of issues, events, or various other things that are trending on the internet. Where Do We Put This?: Sam is in the resea...
Episode Sixty-Three - "You know what I like to see blown up in movies? Gender roles."
July 08, 2015 05:45This week... Mind Grapes: Alli had one of those "buy a book" feelings and so picked up the Cory Doctorow and Jen Wang graphic novel In Real Life. We talk about the impulses we have to use art for messages or have art for art's sake. Sam gave up on The Paradise due to unfortunate love story interference, so instead we talk about Pixar's latest masterpiece Inside Out. The movie is simply beautiful, brilliant, and gives us (children and adults alike) a great new vocabulary around our emotions....
Episode Sixty-Two - "Publishers are people too..."
June 22, 2015 22:03This week with special guest Sarah Felkar... Mind Grapes: Sam is still riding her wave of Philippa Gregory books and found some more historical romance in the form of the television series The Paradise. Sarah, a huge fan of the military sci-fi genre, talks about John Ringo's Looking Glass series. While they can be a nice introduction to the genre, they can sometimes be disappointing in the depiction of women (or lack thereof). Alli gave The 100 another try and was able to talk about some aw...
Episode Sixty-One - "It's cool, and you should come."
June 08, 2015 21:34This week... Mind Grapes: In a rapid fire Mind Grapes, Sam and Alli cover Philippa Gregory books (like The Constant Princess and The Other Boleyn Girl, the steam indie game Catlateral Damage, and Travis McElroy and Brent Black's (Brentalfloss) new podcast Trends Like These. We then engage in a lengthy discussion of the magnum opus that is Mad Max: Fury Road because it was awesome and beautiful and nothing hurt. Where Do We Put This?: One of the major trends that we learned all about during...
Episode Sixty - "Both Sides Now" (Live from BCLC 2015)
May 27, 2015 05:03This week, on a very special LIVE! episode... We had the great pleasure of moderating a panel on the intersections among different library professionals at this year's British Columbia Library Conference. It was a fascinating, frank and inspiring conversation, and we're glad to be able to bring it to you. Watch for a similar panel at the upcoming CHLA Conference. Voices you'll hear: Christina Neigel is Associate Professor in the Library and Information Technology Department at the Univers...
Episode Fifty-Nine - "I don’t think we should throw any babies out with any bathwater here."
May 12, 2015 05:50This week... Mind Grapes: We're all compliments with our TV shows. Sam's been catching up on the surprisingly amazing sixth season of Community. Dan Harmon is back in all of his glory, making the season sweet, funny, and totally weird. Alli has been watching Rob Thomas's wonderful new program iZombie and has another new TV crush. Don't worry Charlie Cox, I still love you. Class Z(ed): For the past several weeks, Alli's mind has been steeped in the newest document from the Association of Co...
Episode Fifty-Eight - "Sort of a sad, sexy puppy dog."
April 28, 2015 06:58This week, with special guest Jon Newell, GM extraordinaire... MIND GRAPES: OK, so yes, we each talk about a thing - but this week's grapes are about 75% Daredevil, which Alli loved for more than just Charlie Cox's abs, she swears. Also Jon just binge-listened to Serial, and brings us up to date on the case. Plus Sam is really into Backstrom - maybe a little too much. NERD ALERT!: What's the deal with being a Dungeon Master? If you want to run a tabletop roleplaying game for your friends (...
Episode Fifty-Seven - "And then I laughed maniacally for like, 20 minutes."
April 14, 2015 01:32This week... Mind Grapes: Sam has been doing some reading inbetween a re-watch of Downton Abbey. In a similar vein, we discuss her reading of Kazuo Ishiguro's Remains of the Day and discuss some of our other favourite upstairs/downstairs things. Alli has been playing BioWare's Dragon Age: Origins and is loving it. We talk about BioWare's amazing attention to story and character as well as some awesome adventure games for the non-combat inclined. Class Z(ed): We have had some great intervie...
S.S. Librarianship is on hiatus for a few weeks
March 24, 2015 18:56Consider this our March break. In the meantime, check out the archives for episodes you may have missed, or for recommendations about what to read, watch, play and listen to in our stead. We'll see you on the other side.
Episode Fifty-Six - "...bring a little bit of magic back into the world."
March 09, 2015 03:28This week with special guests Kathryn Moench and Adena Brons... BiblioFiles: We have a whole episode today discussing one of the latest popular representations of librarianship in media, TNT's series The Librarians. Following the made-for-TV movies, The Librarians follows newcomers to the magical library that contains the world's remaning magical artifacts. But how well does it do? We have Adena for a fellow librarian/archivist perspective and Kat as our architecture expert and library laym...
Episode Fifty-Five - "It was an incredible thing to be in the middle of."
February 24, 2015 07:19This week, it's the JoCo Cruise recap you've all been waiting for... Mind Grapes: Sam says Yes, Please to Amy Poehler's memoirs; Alli thoroughly enjoyed the colourful zaniness of Kingsman: The Secret Service. Nerd Alert!: It's finally that time - Sam recaps her experiences on JoCo Cruise 5, talking about the performances, the activities, and the people that make it such a special trip and remarkable community. Links: JoCo Cruise 5 (includes full performer lineup) Photos from JoCo Cruise...
Episode Fifty-Four - "Subtlety instead of sullenness."
January 26, 2015 06:35This week, on a classic two-man episode... Mind Grapes: Sam and Alli have a very movie heavy couple of weeks. Sam talks soapboxes and lack of soapboxes with the newest version of Annie and the freshly snubbed film Selma about the civil rights movement. Alli talks The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies, the latest Hunger Games movie, and touches briefly on Into the Woods. Where do we put this?: So, no surprise, we have been very, very busy. So how to we keep track of all that? What are our p...
Episode Fifty-Three - "The Lone Arranger, with a mask and a staple remover."
January 13, 2015 23:05This week with special guest Robert McLelland... Mind Grapes: Alli's been getting back to some older, yet awesome, T.V. with back episodes of Leverage. Robert's been getting some awesome indie game action with Year Walk. Inspired by her interview with Writers and Company, Sam reads the late P.D. James's most recent book Death Comes to Pemberley. Class Z(ed): We continue our series of interviewing friends who have just gotten their first jobs out of school, but this time, with an awesome t...
Episode Fifty-Two - "Let's check in with Intern Jon."
December 30, 2014 16:16This week on our annual top ten... Mega Mind Grapes! We go through the top ten things we loved this year. The only caveat - it had to be made this year (or be a series that continued into this year). Jon also drops in to give us his rapid-fire top ten (it's mostly horror video games). We also do a part of a year-end quiz that recaps our year and gets ready for the new one. Links: The Art of Asking - Amanda Palmer Spoils of Babylon Hyperbole and a Half - Allie Brosh Ravelry The Grand...
Merry Holidays!
December 17, 2014 21:39Hey there lovely listeners! We know, we know, we just finished saying we'd be bringing you a new ep every two weeks, but the thing is, well, stuff is happening! Between a big move, a lingering illness, and all the million things that are on all of our plates this time of year, we've decided we'll be coming back atcha with our year in review December 29th or so. In the meantime, why not take a trip down memory lane? We wish you and yours a lovely wintery holiday season, and remember: don't l...
Episode Fifty-One - "The Porn Police."
December 02, 2014 06:45This week... Mind Grapes: Alli is all about voiceover, having watched both the documentary I Know That Voice and Lake Bell's In a World. Having finally gotten to see Gone Girl, Sam is on a Gillian Flynn kick, reading Sharp Objects and Dark Places. Class Z(ed): Last week, we attended a talk given by Michael Vonn of the BC Civil Liberties Association regarding a change of policy in VPL's Internet Use Policy that prohibits the viewing of "sexually explicit materials" on library workstations. ...
Big Ups & Schedule Changes
November 23, 2014 00:31Hey there loyal S.S. Librarianship listeners! First off, fifty episodes seems as good a time as any to tell you, again, and with feeling, just how much you all mean to us. We really appreciate your time, your interest, your enthusiasm, your participation, and your feedback (yes, even your criticism, which has helped us make the show better). We started this show because we wanted to share the joy we take in talking about things we love, and things we think are important - many of which int...
Episode Fifty - "Oh my god, is this our fiftieth episode?"
November 17, 2014 20:31This week... Mind Grapes: We are warming hearts all around. Alli talks about Pride, a lovely British film about a group of gay and lesbian Londoners who helped support a Welsh mining town during the 1980's miners strike. Sam is binge-watching the family dramedy Parenthood - by her account a fairly accurate portrayal of realtionships between adult siblings, their parents, and their children. Class Z(ed): One of the major duties of the new librarian is to serve many shifts on the reference d...
Episode Forty-Nine - "It all starts with a GIF of the Pope..."
November 03, 2014 19:00This week... Mind Grapes: Glowing recommendations all around today. Sam extols the virtues of the new movie Birdman starring Michael Keaton, and it sounds like an amazing commentary on the super hero genre mixed with innovative cinematography. Alli has been getting into Canadian journalism through the podcast Canadaland, produced by Jesse Brown. Both are work checking out for sure. Where Do We Put This?: In a very special conversation, we recap a recent opportunity to discuss the future of...
Episode Forty-Eight - "Even Lance Armstrong planned better than that!"
October 27, 2014 05:28This week with very special first mate Mary Jinglewski... Mind Grapes: A well rounded mind grapes today, we have a play in the form of Educating Rita, Mary's been watching the new show Jane the Virgin, and Sam has been catching some of the extensive backlog of CBC's Writers and Company. Class Z(ed)/Where Do We Put This?: For the last few months, our first mate Mary has been acting as a Community Representative for the Digital Public Library of America. This amazing organization aggregates ...
Watch for Episode Forty-Eight on Monday October 27th
October 20, 2014 23:17On board with us will be friend of the show Mary Jinglewski (honourary S.S. Librarianship First Mate for her staunch support and multiple appearances). Stay tuned, and stay healthy out there - this flu season is a doozy!
Episode Forty-Seven - "We're recording late. Can you tell?"
October 06, 2014 16:20This week... Mind Grapes: It's all shows this week, both in the form of the new-time podcast in the form of old-time radio, Thrilling Adventure Hour, and Shonda Rhimes' new melodrama vehicle How to Get Away with Murder. We also discuss some recent articles about Shonda Rhimes and our love of Bradley Whitford. Class Z(ed): It's a new job checkpoint. A couple of months ago, we walked you through our job hunting process when we both got our jobs. Now, a month or so in, we tell you a bit about...
Episode Forty-Six - "Her skin was the colour of cheesecake, delightfully creamy..."
September 29, 2014 21:20This week, with very special guest Nadia Stennes-Spidal... Mind Grapes: We are all doing reading, whether in hardcover, audiobook, or web serial. Sam suffered some disappointment in We are Not Ourselves. Nadia has had her nose in her phone reading Worm. Alli's commute has been accompanied by the audiobook of The Maze Runner and lunches by American Gods. Class Z(ed): Nadia is a real MLIS success story. A little over a year after graduation, Nadia tells us all about her amazing job as the A...
Episode Forty-Five - "But I only have one more paragraph!"
September 15, 2014 18:35This week, with very special guest Jennifer Lee.. Mind Grapes: Alli enjoyed some end of summer live entertainment with Bard on the Beach's production of The Tempest. Jen gets an advanced look at If I Stay. Sam remains inspired by the Book Camp authors and reads The End of East by Jen Sookfong Lee. Class Z(ed): Jen and Sam were the leads for Vancouver Public Library's Teen Writing and Book Camp this year. They talk about pulling off a week-long event for over 100 tweens and teens, the chall...
Episode Forty-Four - "A child was more likely to get Infinite Jest... or Lady Chatterley's Lover."
September 08, 2014 17:00This week, with special guests Melanie Cassidy, Jonathan Kift, Anna Ferri and Matthew Murray... Mega Mind Grapes: It is our one year anniversary!! How exciting! We have an amazing round-table mind grapes for you today that includes some return guests and one new voice (that will, surely, be on again). The prompt we gave was "tell us something you have done or discovered in the last year" and we got some fantasic discussion ranging from adult digital literacy education to Star Wars: The Clon...
Todaybor Day is Labor Day
September 01, 2014 23:08We at the S.S. Librarianship are obeying Homestar Runner and neither us (nor our brothers) are doing any kind of work, lest we owe Private Benadetto 5 bucks. Enjoy and we'll be back next week with a very special episode! http://www.homestarrunner.com/laborday.html
Episode Forty-Three - "I can do it my damn self!"
August 25, 2014 21:23This week, with special guest Constance Shepardson... Mind Grapes: Sam's been reading Susin Nielsen's absorbing, overlapping tales of Vancouver teens after catching the YA bug at Book Camp; Constance is all about Oscar Wilde right now, including big works and small, and reminds us of the nuance lost in some modern adaptations; Alli - in fact, all of us - LOVED Guardians of the Galaxy, but can see where it could have been even better. Where Do We Put This?: Constance is here to tell us abou...