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Building on Psalm 138 and the work of Dr. James Hollis, Ronnie continues his conversation entitled, "Inside Out." In this talk he says, "To look inside ourselves and to interrogate our own lives might cause a storm. It might cause upheaval. It might turn over tables and hidden secrets and our never-before questioned assumptions and motivations. We might have to suffer; we might have to do business with our false selves, with the lives we have been leading - the lives others picked out for us, or that we simply collapsed into because it was the path of least resistance. Yes, I think we all desperately want to live our best lives; I think we all want meaning and purpose. I think we desperately want inner strength, strength of soul. But just as assuredly, I think that most people won’t risk it, because it means digging through too many layers,  and maybe decades of charade and self-betrayal to get to it."