Technology commentator Mark Pesce joins Kathryn to talk about Mark Zuckerberg's announcement last week that Facebook would rebrand to Meta, to focus the direction of the company on the metaverse. Mark will explain what the metaverse is, something he knows quite a bit about as the founder of one of the first virtual reality companies. He'll look at the single biggest change that's led to a decline in Facebook's revenue, and maybe forcing a change of direction on the company. Mark Pesce is an author, researcher, engineer, futurist and teacher.