The NZ-born poet telling truth in Covid times

To say 2020 has been a rough year is a bit of an understatement - but a short video by a New Zealand-born poet has brought a message of hope to millions who have seen it. Tomos Roberts is also known as Tomfoolery, and his 'The Great Realisation' has had a great resonance around the world, with 60 million views since it was first posted. It's now been turned into a book, beautifully illustrated by Japanese artist Nomoco. Tom joins Kathryn from London, where he now lives, to talk about his work and the importance of optimism.