Stephen, Brigitte and Kathryn discuss the Goverment's re-opening plan, the traffic light system for living with the Covid-19 pandemic and a road-map for getting back to business. Also, National and Labour's collaboration on housing. Stephen Mills is an executive director at Talbot Mills research limited which is the polling firm used by Labour. He is former political adviser to two Labour governments Brigitte Morten is a senior consultant with public and commercial law firm Franks & Ogilvie and a former senior ministerial advisor for the previous National-led government.