Australia correspondent Karen Middleton joins Kathryn to talk about the billionaire paper packaging baron Anthony Pratt being centre of a growing scandal over leaked audio recordings that reveal his private comments about some high profile people, including former US President Donald Trump and King Charles. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is in Washington DC, but his plans have been interrupted by ructions on the Hill. Australian journalist Cheng Lei has given her first media interviews since being released from a Chinese jail two weeks ago and what's caused a 10-year-old Aussie pop tune to make the top of the charts? Karen Middleton is chief political correspondent for The Saturday Paper.