As regular listeners know, these Soap Box podcasts are wholly sponsored. That means everyone you hear in a Soap Box podcast, paid to be here. But that’s ok, because we manage to book very interesting guests into these things, like today’s guest, Sami Laine.

Officially he’s Okta’s director of technology strategy – but informally he describes his role as being more like a principal security architect.

He joins us to talk about identity as the new perimeter and the massive leap we’ve towards a zero trust future through 2020.