Nuance, listening, patience, dialogue. These things seem missing as we analyze our problems in America! We get to speak with a former police officer and current pastor, Tim Barkett, to hear his take from the perspective of those who serve. Great interview. Topics: - What a difference 20 years makes... reflections on the progress of the Police force - "Us against Them" mentality: systemic and personal challenges - Riots and know your neighbors Guest: Rev. Tim Barkett - Pastor of Christ the King Lutheran Church - Former Police Officer in San Diego, CA Thank you: 1517.org proud member of the 1517 Podcast Network and thejaggedword.com Music: Joel A. Hess - Shanghai, Willing Virginia, on Spotify, iTunes, SoundCloud Dead Horse One - I love my man