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Ray Fisman and Tim Sullivan are the authors of newly updated and paperback edition of "The Org: The Underlying Logic of the Office." Fisman is the Lambert Family Professor of Social Enterprise at Columbia Business School. Tim Sullivan is the editorial director of Harvard Business Review Press. In this interview, we discuss why even illogical seeming organizational practices have purpose and how to renovate an organization without tearing the whole thing down.