Pam McCoy, associate dean of graduate programs, sits down with colleague and friend Andy Kaufman to discuss how their understanding of race and racism is informed by their Christian faith and how they marry their individual anti-racist efforts with the religious framework of their lives. Listeners interested in diving deeper are encouraged to read One Blood by John Perkins, The Hiding Place: The Triumphant Story of Corrie Ten Boom, and The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson.