In this second Tiger King episode, we are very excited to talk to Dr. Hal Herzog!  Hal is a world-renowned anthrozoologist and professor emeritus at Western Carolina University. He wrote a great book on the complex relationships between humans and animals called “Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat,” and he maintains a blog on Psychology Today called Animals and Us. We had a lot of fun talking about anthrozoology, the one time that Hal got to hang out with a chimp at Doc Antle’s farm (yes, THAT Doc Antle), his research on ethical issues of human and animals, like whether it is ethical to keep animals as pets. After all, if you consider your pet a part of your family, would you neuter a member of your family? We probably are not going to get any pet food endorsements for Psychodrama after this episode, but that is ok. We had so much fun making it that this is a virtually unedited version. So, please, enjoy this extra long episode of Psychodrama to help with the tedium of quarantine.