Season 4 of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people, is finally here!

This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product.

First up—Shaun Clowes on why all PMs should be growth PMs.

Whereas core PMs own parts of the product, growth PMs own KPIs and experiments. They also tend to be way more data-driven.

This new distinction between core and growth PM implies that PMs aren’t as focused on growth as their orgs would like them to be, but our guest doesn’t think that’s helpful.

Having worked on both sides, Shaun was the head of product growth at Atlassian before joining MetroMile as their Chief Product Officer.

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Season 4 of Product to Product, a podcast for / by product people, is finally here!


This season, we’re taking a deep dive into growth and giving PMs practical, sustainable, non-hacky ways to grow your product.


First up—Shaun Clowes on why all PMs should be growth PMs.


Whereas core PMs own parts of the product, growth PMs own KPIs and experiments. They also tend to be way more data-driven.


This new distinction between core and growth PM implies that PMs aren’t as focused on growth as their orgs would like them to be, but our guest doesn’t think that’s helpful.


Having worked on both sides, Shaun was the head of product growth at Atlassian before joining MetroMile as their Chief Product Officer.


If you liked what you heard, show us some love by rating and reviewing us (5 stars only!) Find us on iTunes, Google Play or Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or get the latest episodes delivered right to your inbox by subscribing here.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.