In this episode, producer Christian Adam Brown travels to Sante Fe to meet Terry Allen and his wife, Jo Harvey Allen. Terry is a prolific artist, musician, and writer. His songs have been covered by Lucinda Williams, Sturgill Simpson, David Byrne, and many others. His visual artworks have been exhibited in The Met and MoMA. Terry’s radio work, which features the incredible theatrical performance work of Jo Harvey, challenged audiences when they were first broadcast. We bring segments of this work to you in this episode.

Visit oxfordamerican.org/pointssouth to see Terry’s visual pieces from his radio works, as well as photography from Jo Harvey’s theater performance of Bleeder. This episode was produced by Sara A. Lewis and Christian Adam Brown. Our Points South intern is Adam Forrester.

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Helen Thorington, who started New American Radio. Our deepest thanks to Terry and Jo Harvey, Brendan Greaves of Paradise of Bachelors Records, and Dr. Curtis Peoples at Texas Tech’s Southwest Collection – home to Terry and Jo Harvey’s archives. Special thanks to Dr. Anna Friz and Regine Beyer, as well as Rob Rosenthal of Transom for his guidance. Post-production and score thanks to Curtis Fye and Trey Pollard of Spacebomb.

This episode is supported by the National Endowment for the Humanities.

This episode contains fictional descriptions of violence.