Government Reporter Derek Beigh interviews Health Editor Paul Swiech about his Sunday story on the link between mass shootings and mental illness, a national conversation again after August massacres in El Paso and Dayton.

Paul discusses how closely the issues are linked; what we lose by stigmatizing mental illness; tips for those who struggle with mental illness or have loved ones who do; and how stereotypes and easy explanations can fall short.

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