In this episode, Ina is joined by Joe Roussos, a postdoctoral researcher at the Institute for Futures Studies in Stockholm, Marcel Jahn, a PhD candidate at the Department of Philosophy at the Humboldt University in Berlin, and Lukas Beck, a postdoctoral researcher in the Scientific Assessments, Ethics and Public Policy working group and a member of the Rivet Project at the Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change in Berlin. Together, they discuss the authors’ recent work on models in science and philosophy that aim to provide normative guidance to agents, so-called normative models. Today’s episode focuses on the authors' recent papers on the topic, the relevance of normative models and the core philosophical challenges they pose.