Dave talks with Novella about how the pandemy lead her back to the land,  homesteading, and urban farming. They discuss how everyone has to draw their own boundaries to feel safe, the importance of making connections with plant communities, long lines at food banks, and basic income. They also discuss how low quality food leads to heart disease and  diabetes, and make us more susceptible to Covid. Novella shares that  the Capital Hill Insurrection may not have occurred if people hadn’t been driven mad by the pandemy. When asked what life will be like after Covid, Novella shares the theory that we may be entering the age of pandemies.

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