Eric talks to Dave about coming home from camping with his family  in the North African desert after March Break to a very different reality as a result of the Covid 19. He started working remotely, eventually making his way back to New Zealand with his wife and three children. The island state of New Zealand has been able to take a different approach from North America, an ambitious policy of eradication, so Kiwis can live worry free while their children attend birthday parties in person.