Next Episode: The Wilderness Inside

In this episode, we provide some context for what this podcast is all about, and most importantly, explain why we're doing it. In this brief conversation, we reflect a bit on the first three episodes, compare notes on why we felt compelled to take on this project, and discuss our future aspirations for the series.

Outside In is a podcast about the moments that change us. Join your hosts, Pavani Yalla and Joel Krieger, as they discover design in unexpected places. These conversations cover a kaleidoscope of experience — from wilderness treks to VR films, communal festivals to immersive theater. Each episode, they deconstruct an experience with its creator — together, revealing what makes it transformative. A fascinating exploration on the frontier of design for change, this series is for anyone who yearns to transform something about the reality they experience.