On this week's podcast, Bob's guest is Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers. They discuss two issues on the 2020 ballot; General William Palmer's influence on governing the city almost 150 years after founding it; how Suthers ended up as mayor after a long career in public service, and a much, much more. Please consider becoming a patron of this podcast! Visit:  for more information. Hiking Bob on ,   and  Listen on ,  and 

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