Out of Order
112 episodes - English - Latest episode: 12 months ago - ★★★★★ - 31 ratingsOut of Order is a German Marshall Fund podcast about how our world was, is, and will be ordered.
From the way the pandemic is shaping geopolitics; to the dark side of tech for democracy; to the political movements, elections and uprisings changing global governance; the podcast brings together international experts from inside and outside of GMF to help us understand our disordered world.
In addition to Out of Order episodes, GMF also produces topical mini-series including Post-Pandemic Order and Frontlines of Democracy. All of GMF’s podcast content, along with audio from select special events, can be found in the Out of Order stream.
For more information on the German Marshall Fund, visit us at www.gmfus.org
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The Digital Markets and Digital Services Acts: What do they mean for Big Tech and you?
August 04, 2023 13:00 - 32 minutes - 29.5 MBIn this “Transatlantic Takeaway” episode, hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund dissect sweeping new EU digital laws and their impact on large tech companies, start-ups and users with guests: Constance Chucholowski, founder and managing director at Candid Public Affairs; Travis Todd, co-founder of Silicon Allee; and Julia Trehu, program manager and Fellow with the German Marshall Fund’s Digital Innovation and Democracy Initiative. This show was produced by Dina Elsayed.
A German about-face – Is the “Zeitenwende” sustainable?
August 04, 2023 13:00 - 41 minutes - 38.1 MBA watershed speech by Chancellor Olaf Scholz in late February that cast off Germany’s long-standing, military-averse policies is lauded by NATO and the United States. But can Germany enhance its armed forces quickly enough to protect Europe against Russia? And what does this sea change mean for a proposed European army? Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the new German tack and its ramifications with Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director for the German Marshall Fund and co-host of Trans...
Exit, Ukraine?
August 04, 2023 13:00 - 34 minutes - 31.7 MBIn this “Transatlantic Takeaway” episode, hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund delve into scenarios to end Russian President Vladmir Putin’s war on Ukraine and how the conflict is changing the global order. Their guests are: - Michal Baranowski, senior fellow and director of the GMF office in Warsaw. - Gesine Dornblueth, co-author of “Ruhmlose Helden,” a book on a plane crash that changed German-Russian relations. She is a former Moscow correspondent for Deutschlandradio. - ...
U.S. Midterm Elections 2022: The end of American democracy?
August 04, 2023 12:00 - 44 minutes - 40.6 MBAlthough a record turnout is expected on Nov. 8th, opinion surveys show many Americans no longer trust U.S. elections nor their government. Many Republican voters still embrace the “Big Lie” that President Trump had the 2020 election stolen from him. So what does the growing mistrust, President Joe Biden’s low ratings and the worst inflation in four decades mean for the midterm elections and American democracy in general? In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway by Common Ground Berlin and ...
The war in Ukraine – What’s next?
August 02, 2023 13:00 - 26 minutes - 24 MBIn this first anniversary episode of Transatlantic Takeaway, a Common Ground Berlin and German Marshall Fund of the United States collaboration, hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund talk about the sweeping 10-month-long war Russia is waging in Ukraine and its impact on Europe and the United States with Guido Goldman Distinguished Scholar for Geostrategy at GMF, Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff and Michal Baranowski, Managing Director, GMF East. Is there an end in sight for the war th...
Germany’s new national security strategy – Groundbreaking or status quo?
July 06, 2023 09:05 - 28 minutes - 26.1 MBGerman Chancellor Olaf Scholz and his cabinet recently unveiled their country’s long-awaited national security strategy, the first since World War II. Co-hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund explore whether this strategy is groundbreaking as its proponents claim and the impact on Germany’s allies and enemies. This week’s guests are Michal Baranowski, senior fellow and managing director of the German Marshall Fund East, based in Warsaw, and Gesine Weber, a fellow with the Germ...
For better or for worse? A transatlantic forecast for 2023
July 03, 2023 09:27 - 39 minutes - 36.3 MBIn this first Transatlantic Takeaway of the year with co-hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund, German Marshall Fund senior fellow Daniel Hegedus and GMF Paris office director Martin Quencez delve into what we can expect in 2023, including from EU relations with the U.S. and with Russia; from the war in Ukraine, and from the world’s likely next nuclear power, Iran.
Germany, The Scapegoat – The Gop’s Latest Tact in The Race For US President.
June 12, 2023 10:00 - 38 minutes - 35.3 MBIn this episode of “Transatlantic Takeaway,” hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund delve into how Germany is fodder for the GOP’s campaign strategy for the 2024 elections with guests Majda Ruge, Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and Sudha David-Wilp, Senior Transatlantic Fellow at the German Marshall Fund and director of its Berlin office. Dina Elsayed produced this episode.
Bold Ideas to Make Digital Democracy Work, with Audrey Tang
June 16, 2022 08:34 - 27 minutes - 38 MBRachel Tausendfreund talks to Taiwan’s digital minister, Audrey Tang, about the perils and prospects of tech for democracy. Audrey discusses strategies to combat the infodemic (including “humor over rumor” and public notice) and explains the advantages of Taiwan’s public social media platform PTT, which gave the government early warning for the coronavirus. Audrey outlines the art of troll control how purpose-seeking (as opposed to profit-seeking) social media can work. And because this is pa...
Transatlantic Takeaway #2: Europe On The Brink Of War?
January 19, 2022 19:45 - 31 minutes - 28.8 MBRussia appears ready to invade Ukraine, with the recent deployment of roughly 100,000 Russian troops along their mutual border. In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway — a monthly collaboration between Common Ground and the German Marshall Fund of the United States — Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and her guests discuss the ongoing crisis and its impact on the EU, the United States and Moscow. Our experts: Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF editorial director in Berlin and host of “Out of Order” p...
Watching China in Europe with EU Director-General for Trade Sabine Weyand
December 22, 2021 09:00 - 33 minutes - 30.7 MB"Watching China in Europe" is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. In this episode, Noah speaks with Sabine Weyand, Director-General for Trade at the European Commission. Ms. Weyand explains what the EU is doing to respond to China's economic retaliation against Lithuania, discusses prospects for reviving the EU-China...
How to Change the World: A New Business Canvas for Purpose Driven Companies
December 20, 2021 09:00 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MBLinks: The EU Policy Lab: https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/ The Social Economy Canvas: https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/portfolios/social-economy-canvas/ We Did Start the Fire—Now System Change Is Inevitable and Irreversible: https://www.gmfus.org/news/we-did-start-fire-now-system-change-inevitable-and-irreversible
How to Change the World: A Discussion of the Role of Youth in Politics
October 15, 2021 15:00 - 44 minutes - 40.4 MBClimate change. Health care. Education. Debt. These are just a few of the issues being debated today in the halls of power. The results of these debates will have profound consequences for all of us, but perhaps no group will be more affected than the young. With such a clear stake in the outcome, it might be surprising to learn that as a group, young people are less likely to vote and serve in public offices than older generations. In this podcast, Dr. Christine Huebner of Nottingham Tren...
Watching China In Europe With German FDP Lawmaker Gyde Jensen
October 13, 2021 07:00 - 23 minutes - 21.4 MBClick HERE to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the October edition HERE.
Watching China in Europe with French Diplomat Maurice Gourdault-Montagne
October 05, 2021 05:00 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MBClick HERE to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the October edition HERE.
Transatlantic Take: Germany's Post-Merkel Election Results
September 28, 2021 17:20 - 40 minutes - 37 MBAfter 16 years in power, the Christian Democrats without Angela Merkel have reaped historically bad results in Sunday’s election. All the votes have been tallied and the Social Democrats have come out on top, but with only 25.7% of the vote they will need to get both the Greens and the Liberals on board for a coalition. But other coalition options are also in play, including the “Jamaica” coalition that would return the Christian Democrats to the Chancellery. Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF’s edi...
Implications of the Withdrawal from Afghanistan
September 10, 2021 10:00 - 54 minutes - 50.1 MBRelated Articles: https://www.gmfus.org/news/implications-withdrawal-afghanistan-views-washington-dc-and-ankara?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Twitter
Prospects for US-Japan-Europe Security Cooperation in the Indo-Pacific
September 09, 2021 10:30 - 35 minutes - 32.7 MBTo learn more about GMF's Japan Trilateral Forum, visit: https://www.gmfus.org/japan-trilateral-forum"
Best Friends Again? A Transatlantic Update (Guest Episode from Common Ground Berlin)
July 02, 2021 13:56 - 33 minutes - 30.9 MBFor more Common Ground episodes visit: www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/common-ground
The Growing Role of Cities in Foreign Affairs
June 11, 2021 01:00 - 35 minutes - 32.6 MBThe line separating local from global issues is blurring. Inequality, climate change, the integration of migrants and refugees, and the growing influence of China are just some of the critical transnational issues affecting cities today. None of it can be properly addressed or resolved without the world’s metropolises and their leaders. On this episode of Out of Order, we’re talking about the burgeoning role of cities in international affairs -- how cities conduct diplomacy and how they wor...
Watching China in Europe with Germany's UN Ambassador Christoph Heusgen
May 18, 2021 01:00 - 24 minutes - 22.2 MBClick HERE to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the April edition HERE. Official Statements: Statement by Christoph Heusgen in the High-level virtual event on the situation of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang, May 12 Final Remarks by Ambassador Christoph Heusgen in the Security Council on Germany's 2019/2020 terms Articles: U.S., UK Germany Clash with China at U.N. over Xinjiang (Reuters; May 12, 2021) China Outlines Its Priorit...
Watching China in Europe: Episode Three with Raphael Glucksmann
May 04, 2021 03:00 - 33 minutes - 30.4 MBIn the third installment of "Watching China in Europe," Noah Barkin speaks with Raphael Glucksmann, a member of the European Parliament and chairman of a special committee in the Parliament that is looking into foreign interference and disinformation. Mr Glucksmann, one of several lawmakers who was put on a Chinese sanctions list in March, revealed that the European Council is working on a mandate that would give the EU new powers to counter Chinese disinformation. He also talked about the "F...
Watching China in Europe: Episode Two with Wolfgang Niedermark
April 21, 2021 05:00 - 33 minutes - 30.5 MBClick HERE to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the April edition HERE.
Behind Europe’s Plan to Clean Up Global Supply Chains
March 25, 2021 18:57 - 21 minutes - 19.4 MBLawmakers Call for Green 'Due Diligence' in Supply Chains (Euractiv) MEPs: Hold Companies Accountable for Harm Caused to People and Planet (European Parliament) #WeSeeYou: COVID-19 and the Fashion Retail Industry (Blog post by Laura Basagni, Trade Experettes) Video: Rana Plaza Collapse: The Deadly Cost of Fashion (The New York Times)
37 Parties, 1 Election: What Dutch Politics Mean for Europe
March 15, 2021 19:49 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MBRelated Reading: Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte and Europe's New Awkward Squad (Financial Times) "Frugal Four" Propose "Loans for Loans" Approach to Coronavirus Recovery Fund (Politico EU, May 2020) Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte Set to Win Big-- But What Next? (The Guardian, March 2021) Nederlanders zijn niet de nieuwe Britten (Caroline de Gruyter, NRC Handelsblad, March 2021) Episode Music - Blue Dream - Cheel Democracy to Despotism - Zachary Tarrant
Watching China in Europe: Episode One with Martin Selmayr
March 02, 2021 03:00 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MBSubscribe to Noah's monthly "Watching China in Europe Newsletter" HERE Episode Music: Blue Dream by Cheel
“America is Back” and a Marathon Week of Diplomacy
February 25, 2021 19:03 - 32 minutes - 29.4 MBPaper: "Flexible Security Arrangements and the Future of NATO Partnerships" (Steven Keil and Sophie Arts, GMFUS.org) Op-Ed: "New Possibilities Open for the U.S.-Poland Relationship" (Michal Baranowski, RealClearWorld) Policy Brief Series: "Agenda 2021: A Blueprint for U.S.-Europe-India Cooperation" (Garima Mohan, GMFUS.org)
Will Alexei Navalny Make Russia More Democratic? (Guest Episode from Democracy Works)
February 22, 2021 17:17 - 52 minutes - 48.4 MBLinks: How Biden Can Achieve Russian Restoration (Michael Kimmage, The New Republic)
Europe’s Rollercoaster Vaccine Rollout
February 05, 2021 23:52 - 27 minutes - 24.8 MBNew York Times: “Top EU Officials Comes Under Fires in Vaccine Wars” The Guardian: EU Leaders Began to Feel Heat Over Slow Covid Vaccine Rollout Peterson Institute: The Pandemic is Not Under Control Anywhere Unless it is Controlled Everywhere
Scoring Germany's EU Presidency
January 12, 2021 18:38 - 40 minutes - 37.1 MBOut of Order is turning to the not-so-distant past to take stock of Germany’s Presidency of the Council of the European Union, which recently ended. After six months helming the EU’s policy agenda… what were the expectations and how did Germany fare? And now that Portugal has picked up the baton, what should the priorities for 2021 be? GMF’s Sudha David-Wilp leads two conversations with top German officials on their country's EU presidency and what comes next. First up: Germany’s Chief Ec...
Defending Democracy in the Digital World: A Conversation with Marietje Schaake
December 23, 2020 17:34 - 29 minutes - 28.1 MBReport: “A Future Internet for Democracies: Contesting China’s Push for Dominance in 5G, 6G, and the Internet of Everything” (Lindsay Gorman, Alliance for Securing Democracy) Article: "Democratic Source Code for a New EU-U.S. Tech Alliance" (Marietje Schaake and Tyson Barker, Lawfare)
Future-Proofing the Alliance with NATO’s Head of Policy Planning Dr. Benedetta Berti
December 11, 2020 17:23 - 30 minutes - 28.2 MBCredit Music by Patrick Patrikios Title Music by Zachary Tarrant
The Right Honorable Baroness Catherine Ashton on the Transatlantic Alliance’s Next Chapter
November 25, 2020 19:13 - 22 minutes - 22 MBOp-Ed: "I Helped Negotiate the Iran Deal. Here's How Joe Biden Could Revive It." (Catherine Ashton, TIME) Report: "Together or Alone: Choices and Strategies for Transatlantic Relations for 2021 and Beyond." (The German Marshall Fund and the Bundeskanzler-Helmut-Schmidt-Stiftung)
Ambassador Wendy Sherman on the Future of U.S. Foreign Policy
November 20, 2020 17:45 - 18 minutes - 18.8 MBSongs in Episode: Staycation - Corbyn Kites Out of Order Theme - Zachary Tarrant
Transatlantic Takes: Europe's Post-Election Mood
November 13, 2020 20:32 - 28 minutes - 27.4 MBEpisode Music: Easy Stroll - Track Tribe
Everything You Wanted to Know About Voting in the U.S. with the Democracy Fund’s Tammy Patrick
October 26, 2020 16:11 - 28 minutes - 27.3 MBRelated Reading: "Iran and Russia Seeks to Influence Election in Final Days, U.S. Officials Warn" (The New York Times, October 21, 2020) "Cyberattacks, Foreign Interference, and Digital Infrastructure: Conducting Secure Elections Amid Pandemic" (The Alliance for Securing Democracy and the International Foundation for Electoral Systems) "Voting by Mail is Still Secure. Here's Why." (David Levine and Amber McReynolds;The Fulcrum, October 5, 2020) "Voter Registration Deadlines—It's Compli...
Reporting the Vote: CBS News' Caitlin Conant and Jennifer De Pinto on Getting the Story Right
October 16, 2020 19:53 - 23 minutes - 23.2 MBThe media plays an essential role in every democracy; but in an election season marked with uncertainty on many different levels, the responsibility of the press corps to preserve the truth while getting the story right is even greater. Now armed with the lessons of 2016—and with disinformation and misinformation still rampant – how is one of America’s most prominent broadcast networks taking on the challenge of covering the 2020 election? CBS News’ Political Director Caitlin Conant and Dep...
Shadow State: Josh Rudolph with Luke Harding on the Kremlin’s Quest for Chaos in the West
October 01, 2020 07:00 - 32 minutes - 30.1 MBThis week, we’re handing the mic over to Josh Rudolph, the Malign Finance fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy and the author of the new report, Covert Foreign Money. Josh is joined by Luke Harding, best-selling author and senior international correspondent at The Guardian. Harding, who served as The Guardian’s Moscow bureau chief from 2007-2011, recently published the new book “Shadow State: Murder, Mayhem, and Russia’s Remaking of the West.” From Novichok poisonings to millio...
What's Happening in Belarus?
September 18, 2020 04:59 - 35 minutes - 32.9 MBFor almost the entirety of its nearly three decades of independence, the former Soviet country of Belarus has been led under an iron fist by autocrat Alexander Lukashenko. When Belarusians went to the polls last month to vote for their next president, few could have imagined the push for political change —and the movement of mass protests that would soon catapult the country into international headlines. As protests continue amidst a violent crackdown by the government, GMF’s Jonathan Katz ...
From Houston to Kiev, a Global Approach to Helping Veterans Return Home
August 14, 2020 01:27 - 33 minutes - 30.4 MBThe experience of military veterans returning home may often be thought of as a local or national issue - but it is universal. From studying Denmark’s veteran's transition resources and applying best practices back in the U.S., to the unlikely path that led him to help establish the first Ministry of Veteran’s Affairs in Ukraine, no one appreciates the global aspect of veteran’s affairs more than John Boerstler, CEO of the Houston-based Combined Arms and an alum of GMF’s Marshall Memorial F...
GMF + Intelligence Squared U.S. Debate: Nationalism Is a Force for Good.
August 06, 2020 10:30 - 51 minutes - 50.1 MBFOR THE MOTION Colin Dueck Policy Professor & Author, "Age of Iron: On Conservative Nationalism” Prerna Singh Political Scientist & Author, “How Solidarity Works for Welfare” AGAINST THE MOTION Andrew Keen Internet Entrepreneur & Author, "Tomorrows Versus Yesterdays" Elif Shafak Activist & Author, “The Bastard of Istanbul” THE HOST John Donvan Host and Moderator Editor’s Note: GMF’s “Post-Pandemic Order” series is on hiatus. In the meantime, watch our feed for more original podc...
Post-Pandemic Order with William Yang
July 23, 2020 09:00 - 39 minutes - 38.9 MBIn many ways, Taiwan has a front row seat, with the coronavirus pandemic, Beijing’s new national security law, and geopolitical uncertainty further impacting Taiwan’s already tenuous position. On this episode, GMF’s Julie Smith and Deutsche Welle’s East Asia Correspondent, William Yang, dive into the most relevant questions for the island today. What is the outlook for Taiwan’s future given Beijing’s the implementation of the new national security law in Hong Kong? What lessons did Taiwan le...
Post-Pandemic Order with Jüri Luik, Estonian Minister of Defense
July 16, 2020 21:49 - 44 minutes - 62.2 MBWhen the pandemic spread to Europe, NATO was met with a unique challenge: it needed to assist with crisis response while also keeping its ever-important deterrence mission intact on its Eastern Flank. On this week’s episode of “Post-Pandemic Order,” Derek Chollet talks with a key leader in this effort, Estonian Minister of Defense Jüri Luik, about how NATO’s mission evolved (and what stayed the same) throughout the pandemic—and what he learned about the military’s role during this unforesee...
Post-Pandemic Order with Jüri Luik, Estonian Minister of Defense
July 16, 2020 05:01 - 44 minutes - 44 MBWhen the pandemic spread to Europe, NATO was met with a unique challenge: it needed to assist with crisis response while also keeping its ever-important deterrence mission intact on its Eastern Flank. On this week’s episode of “Post-Pandemic Order,” Derek Chollet talks with a key leader in this effort, Estonian Minister of Defense Jüri Luik, about how NATO’s mission evolved (and what stayed the same) throughout the pandemic—and what he learned about the military’s role during this unforeseen...
Post-Pandemic Order with Representative Lauren Underwood
July 07, 2020 11:10 - 15 minutes - 17.7 MBIn this episode of Post-Pandemic Order, guest host Sudha David-Wilp sits down with Congresswoman Lauren Underwood of Illinois's 14th congressional district to discuss the long history of systemic racism in the United States, public health during the coronavirus pandemic, and generational perspectives on governing and leadership. Congresswoman Underwood is the youngest African American woman to be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. Before joining Congress, Underwood had extensive p...
Post-Pandemic Order with Jared Cohen
July 02, 2020 16:38 - 36 minutes - 36.5 MBThe perils of disinformation are no new phenomenon, but the last few months have shown just how much damage it can do—and all the different ways it can be used. On this week’s episode, Jared Cohen, founder and CEO of Jigsaw—the independent unit at Google focused on building technology to address global security challenges—joins Derek Chollet to discuss the brave new world of the internet in the post-pandemic order. While disinformation once needed to be manufactured, conspiracy theories now ...
Post-Pandemic Order with Amb. Richard Verma
June 18, 2020 10:00 - 26 minutes - 27.6 MBNo country took as severe lockdown measures as India at the height of the Coronavirus pandemic. According to this week’s guest, the next two weeks will tell the world whether the country of 1.4 billion got it right. This week on Post-Pandemic Order, former U.S. Ambassador to India, Rich Verma (2014-2017), joins Julie Smith to discuss India’s place in the post-pandemic world order. As Ambassador Verma puts it: no country has animated the U.S.-India relationship more than China, and that dyn...
Post-Pandemic Order: A Conversation with Pete Buttigieg at Brussels Forum
June 11, 2020 17:22 - 43 minutes - 43.4 MBPete Buttigieg—the Democratic party's first openly gay presidential candidate and a veteran who served in Afghanistan—has gained international prominence. In a conversation originally streamed live as part of GMF’s Brussels Forum, Mayor Pete joined Derek Chollet for a wide-ranging conversation on race relations in America, the state of the Democratic party amidst the 2020 elections, U.S. foreign policy and what U.S. global leadership at a tumultuous moment. What experiences stuck with him f...
Post Pandemic Order: A Conversation with Pete Buttigieg at Brussels Forum
June 11, 2020 17:22 - 43 minutes - 61.3 MBPete Buttigieg—the Democratic party's first openly gay presidential candidate and a veteran who served in Afghanistan—has gained international prominence. In a conversation originally streamed live as part of GMF’s Brussels Forum, Mayor Pete joined Derek Chollet for a wide-ranging conversation on race relations in America, the state of the Democratic party amidst the 2020 elections, U.S. foreign policy and what U.S. global leadership at a tumultuous moment. What experiences stuck with him f...
Post-Pandemic Order with Angus Lapsley
June 04, 2020 17:14 - 25 minutes - 26.9 MBOn this week’s episode of Post Pandemic Order, host Julie Smith talks with Angus Lapsley, director general strategy and international at the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defence. Security in a time of the coronavirus takes center stage in a conversation that touches on the United Kingdom and NATO's response to the coronavirus, the pandemic's effect on global stability and defense policy, nuclear arms control, as well as the U.K. and NATO response to emerging global threats. In his role, An...