“Under the bright lights, elephants perform tricks for excited humans who never wonder what happens to these massive animals after the show ends. Earnest knows.” The only things captive born elephants may ever know are zoo paddocks and circus rings. What we do know is that elephants are complex intelligent, emotive and social beings, and we know they talk to each other. Have we considered what captive born elephants might learn from their wild-born captive friends? With my guest, Debbie McFee, author of Through the Eyes of Earnest, we travel on a journey of this consideration.. that of “Earnest”, the elephant in the book who represents every elephant, we are taken on a somber but hopeful tale from an elephant’s point of view, which asks us to consider why we continue to keep such intelligent social animals in captivity when we know now, how and why we must provide for and protect them in the wild.