In this episode I was joined by 2 people I dearly love, Mike Bhatti and Criselda Sweet, the first staff of PHOENIX/ONE.  We talked about how they got involved, the early years in the office, the Gatherings, and how we dealt with my sons cancer diagnosis in the midst of running the organization.

This was a life giving episode that also reminded us of how fortunate we were to be apart of something that God built.