Episode 32: Getting Out Of Your Own Way + Learning To Listen With John Michael Schert

After ten minutes of meeting John Michael Schert, I asked him to be on the podcast. He didn’t even know I had a podcast, and I didn’t really know anything about him – I just knew that he was awesome. 

In this episode, John Michael and I talk about how to get out of your own way, the impact of his mother coming out when he was a teenager, what he learned from being a dancer, and learning to give space to the unknown. Sound heavy? It sorta is. But it’s also one of my favorite episodes yet. 

Here’s John Michael 

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Show Notes:
John Michael on Instagram
The Economics Of Suspense via NYT
Chicago Booth School Of Business
Does Jesus Really Love Me?
Flow: The Psychology Of Optimal Experience 
Treefort Music Fest
Trey McIntyre Project 
Fattoush Salad via The Kitchn

photo credit: Quinn B. Wharton

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