Thank you Lauren and Jesse for this interview!

### Previous experience (2:10)
[Trophy](https://trophyrpg.com/)

[The Final Girl](https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/182628/The-Final-Girl?affiliate_id=29668)

[Hot Guys Making Out](https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/156244/Hot-Guys-Making-Out?affiliate_id=29668)

[Lauren's hacks](https://www.thestraykiwi.com/design-work)

[Codex Lies](https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/238692/Codex--Lies-Jan-2018?affiliate_id=29668)

[The Gauntlet](https://www.gauntlet-rpg.com/)

### Inspiration and genre emulation (5:30)
What is this genre?

[Girls-underground.com](https://girls-underground.com/) by Kate Winter

### Why a PbtA hack? (11:20)

### Switching protagonists (14:00)
[Bluebird’s Bride](https://www.magpiegames.com/bluebeards-bride/)

### Very easy to run (18:35)
[Girl Underground on Oneshot RPG](http://oneshotpodcast.com/tag/girl-underground/)

### Expectations, gender and safety (24:05)

### Manners (30:30)

### Structured format suggestion (37:05)

The playtest process (41:50)

### What’s next? (45:55)
[Beyond the Garden Wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Garden_Wall)

### Summary (49:20)
[Buy this game!](https://www.hedgemazepress.com/)

[Girl Underground's website](https://girlunderground.org/)

[Lauren's professional website](https://www.thestraykiwi.com/)

### Taking the load off (55:30)
Uri: [Three Dragon Ante: Legendary Edition](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/280501/three-dragon-ante-legendary-edition)

Jesse: [Trophyrpg.com](https://Trophyrpg.com)

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