This episode has one of our short bonuses attached so it's in two parts.  First of all, Alex interviews Martin to get more information about the BetterNZ Trust #LeadingTheCharge Roadtrip from 2021, so that he can get excited about attending one in 2022.  

In the second segment, we chat with Mark Buckingham  about the pros and cons of Tesla Autopilot.  (Mark Buckingham features in the upcoming episode number 36 talking about towbars.)

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