This week, Alexis gets non-technical with Max Chafkin, author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley's Pursuit of Power. They talk about a muskrat/leg encounter, jogging’s hippie origins, the worst fish, ACTUALLY!, and “Green Eggs & Spam.”

You can find Max on Twitter at twitter.com/chafkin and Alexis at twitter.com/yayalexisgay or instagram.com/yayalexisgay and twitter.com/NonTechnicalPod.

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