The title of this episode is not a lie. It is an interview with the one and only New Jersey governor, Phil Murphy. That's right. Not an actor pretending. The real Governor is on this show. The same show where we usually share stories of how insane the bathrooms at Penn Station are or "remember that time one of the cowboys at Wild West City got shot for real?" We interviewed the current sitting governor.


He had a fantastic sense of humor, and also let us ask him some serious stuff along the way. We feel honored that the governor learned of our show and sees it for what it is: a loving exploration of the fascinating and at times confounding state we live in, that celebrates its underrated joys but doesn't sweep its complicated aspects under the rug. Governor Murphy was an amazing sport in laughing at the state's weirdness with us while also telling us where things are at for real. From where he thinks they might find Perfy's body buried to how he hopes our cities revitalize without falling into the traps of gentrification, this one has it all. Huge thanks to Daniel Bryan for his assistance in making this episode happen.


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