Movies I Love That No One Talks About
105 episodes - English - Latest episode: almost 2 years ago - ★★★★★ - 49 ratingsEvery week, host Dan Benamor interviews a guest who worked on an under appreciated hidden gem of a movie, or an industry figure that shares his love of these unheralded masterpieces.
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WATCH THIS TONIGHT
July 24, 2022 01:59 - 1 minute - 1.54 MBI have created the spiritual sequel to this show. It’s called WATCH THIS TONIGHT. It’s a fancy version of this show, part of the Voyage Media podcast network, and it releases twice a week (Wednesday and Friday). Each episode is a carefully curated pick for something great to watch at the end of the night when you’ve got about an hour before you fall asleep. Look for it anywhere you listen to podcasts. If you like this show, I think you will really enjoy my new podcast.
Emergency Ray Liotta Filmography Pod
May 26, 2022 19:57 - 9 minutes - 10 MBI review all of Ray's movies that I have seen in brief, and also briefly discuss the movie I produced that he was in. RIP to a legend who had so much more to give. What a loss.
True Crime Anthology Podcast - ALLEGEDLY
April 25, 2022 20:58 - 1 minute - 2.24 MBI wanted to tell you about a new true crime anthology podcast I produced, which features Michael Emerson (LOST), Jonathan Frakes (STAR TREK) and more actors and tells wild, crazy, scary, compelling true crime stories. There's a new crime in every episode. You can find the show by going to allegedlytruecrime.com or searching for "Allegedly Voyage Media" anywhere you listen to podcasts.
Dean Norris From Breaking Bad Stars In A Crime Podcast I Produced
November 29, 2021 20:26 - 3 minutes - 3.13 MBYup, it's a scripted crime drama presented as found audio from an FBI surveillance operation. It's called MAHALO WITH A BULLET. Dean plays a hitman sent to Hawaii to murder someone. While in Hawaii, he has a change of heart and questions his entire life. It's a fun, fast, listen, Dean is excellent in it, and we may be producing more of it in the future. You can find links to listen on your preferred podcast platform here: https://www.voyagemedia.fm/show/mahalo-with-a-bullet/ If you listen, l...
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE III
September 24, 2021 02:59 - 36 minutes - 33.8 MBJOHN WICK creator Derek Kolstad returns to the show for the 100th episode to talk MISSION IMPOSSIBLE III. My case: the best film of the series, JJ Abrams’ best film as a feature director, and the best villain of the series with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
THE OTHER GUYS
September 19, 2021 13:44 - 38 minutes - 35.3 MBScreenwriter Nathaniel Nauert joins the show, and I make the case that THE OTHER GUYS is the best film in the filmography of both Will Ferrell and Adam McKay, as well as a career high point for Mark Wahlberg. I’m a peacock, you gotta let me fly!
JUDGEMENT NIGHT
September 09, 2021 21:19 - 38 minutes - 35.2 MBFilm scholar Jackson Boren joins the program for JUDGEMENT NIGHT. A real hidden gem, this gorgeous-looking movie has a sharp, compelling setup and a great cast in their fresh-faced days. Emilio Estevez, Cuba Gooding Jr, Denis Leary, Stephen Dorff, Jeremy Piven, and Peter Greene star in this crime thriller. Stephen Hopkins directed the film. This one has a ton of interesting behind-the-scenes production information that Jackson and I break down (originally written on spec by Kevin Jarre, who w...
RETURN TO PARADISE
September 03, 2021 21:51 - 34 minutes - 32.1 MBScreenwriter Jay Thornton joins the show to discuss perhaps one of the best picks for this series, RETURN TO PARADISE. A movie even I hadn't heard of, this is a total unheralded gem. It was well-reviewed upon release, but was not a huge box office hit, and is not something I've heard talked about before. Great director (Joseph Ruben, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY), great cast (Vince Vaughn, Joaquin Phoenix, Anne Heche) and maybe one of the best moral premises in any movie, period. I watched this at...
THE WAY OF THE GUN
August 25, 2021 19:57 - 38 minutes - 35.8 MBFellow VFS graduate and screenwriter Philip Clarke joins the show to break down a true movie we love that no one talks about, Christopher McQuarrie's THE WAY OF THE GUN. Starring Ryan Phillippe, Benicio Del Toro, Juliette Lewis, James Caan, Taye Diggs, and Nicky Katt, this is the movie McQuarrie cashed in his THE USUAL SUSPECTS chip for, and it shows. It's bold to an extreme. It's not for everyone. But it is purposeful, and if you stick with it, the payoffs are there. It's also a great crime ...
DESTROYER
August 19, 2021 20:52 - 41 minutes - 38.2 MBThe writers of this film Phil Hay and Matt Manfredi, who (along with director Karyn Kusama) previously made THE INVITATION, join the podcast to discuss the Nicole Kidman 2018 bad cop LA sunlight noir film DESTROYER. This is a wild movie, combining shades of William Friedkin, Michael Mann, and Phil, Matt and Karyn's distinctive creative DNA to emerge with something new, that surprises moment-to-moment with unexpected choices, inventive structure, and a commitment top-to-bottom from a very game...
REPO MAN
August 11, 2021 21:32 - 32 minutes - 29.9 MBLiterary manager Jeff Portnoy joins the show to discuss this cult classic film, a bizarre midnight movie starring Emilio Esteves and Harry Dean Stanton. Directed by Alex Cox, this has been a frequent request for the show. I highly suggest watching it at 2 am while under the influence of some kind of substance. It's out there and totally unique, but if you're in the mood for something different, it should hit the spot.
TAKE SHELTER
August 03, 2021 21:23 - 37 minutes - 34.7 MBMichael Shannon is perfectly cast in this slow burn freak out of a movie with Jessica Chastain in one of her first roles. Jeff Nichols directs. One of the great “oh sh*t” endings in independent film cinema. Retuning guest Nick Oleksiw and I dive in.
GRAND PIANO
July 24, 2021 21:14 - 45 minutes - 42.3 MBThe director of this thriller, Eugenio Mira, joins the show. Scripted by Damien Chazelle (WHIPLASH, LA LA LAND), starring Elijah Wood and John Cusack, this is effectively WHIPLASH crossed with SPEED. A wild high-concept premise is executed with great style by Eugenio Mira. This would be one of Brian De Palma's top 5 movies if he directed it, a great watch for fans of Damien Chazelle, Hitchcock, and De Palma.
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - Otzi The Iceman Must Die
July 19, 2021 19:27 - 2 minutes - 2.19 MBDropping some of our original music from my new podcast series, OTZI THE ICEMAN MUST DIE, starring Ethan Suplee (Remember The Titans, American History X, Wolf of Wall Street, Hulu series CHANCE). Really proud of how this turned out. We're basically doing THE REVENANT as an audio drama, but with our own true story basis. Otzi is a real person found perfectly preserved in the Italian Alps, who was murdered 5,300 years ago. An autopsy of his body showed exactly HOW he was murdered, but we wante...
JACKIE CHAN SPECTACULAR
July 17, 2021 21:51 - 56 minutes - 52.4 MBTwo people who know Jackie Chan, literally and figuratively, are my guests this week. Mike Leeder was on set of DRUNKEN MASTER II. He is a fixture in the Hong Kong action scene. Mike did stunts on THE RAID 2, fighter casting on the MAN OF TAI CHI, Hong Kong casting for THE MAN WITH THE IRON FISTS, he was the Asia Casting Director for RUSH HOUR 3, and on and on. My other guest is Joshua James, who wrote the Jean Claude Van Damme film POUND OF FLESH, Josh is a screenwriter and martial artist. T...
AFTER DARK, MY SWEET
July 09, 2021 04:16 - 39 minutes - 36.3 MBDirector James Foley (GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS) rejoins the show to discuss his film Roger Ebert adored and Variety called “near-perfect”, the Jim Thompson noir adaptation AFTER DARK, MY SWEET, starring Jason Patric, Rachel Ward, and Bruce Dern.
MO BETTER BLUES
June 29, 2021 19:53 - 43 minutes - 40.1 MBFilm executive DJ Holloway (Bron, JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH) joins the show to discuss Spike Lee's under-seen hang-out jazz drama... effectively this is Spike's MEAN STREETS or SWINGERS or FRIDAY, a movie where great actors like Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes, Giancarlo Esposito get to play music, crack jokes, go through love triangles, and generally just play into the vibe of the film. As DJ says in the episode, this movie is a vibe.
HARRY BROWN
June 27, 2021 19:45 - 48 minutes - 44.7 MBThe writer of this film, Gary Young, joins the show. Michael Caine plays effectively the older UK version of Denzel in MAN ON FIRE, but in a plot that's distinctively UK. Ably-supported by about half the cast of GAME OF THRONES in supporting roles, this is a great character study and a compelling genre film with a stellar lead performance from Michael Caine.
THE STAR CHAMBER
June 18, 2021 00:31 - 38 minutes - 35.7 MBI know you haven’t seen this movie. I know you might think it’s old and outdated. It’s not. It’s stellar. It plays like it could have come out last week. It’s THE STAR CHAMBER, a movie about a secret group of judges that mete out justice to criminals who get off on technicalities. Michael Douglas, Yaphet Kotto, Hal Holbrook. It’s on Amazon. Joe Aliberti and I explain why it’s incredible on this week’s episode.
RUN ALL NIGHT
June 10, 2021 20:49 - 32 minutes - 29.9 MBScreenwriter Sean Ryan joins the program for one of Liam Neeson’s most underrated action films, written by MARE OF EASTTOWN's Brad Ingelsby. Great concept, slick direction, stellar cast, featuring Ed Harris, Boyd Holbrook, Joel Kinnaman, and Common. This movie is legitimately good and was the victim of an inexplicable release schedule.
FEMME FATALE
June 02, 2021 21:35 - 34 minutes - 32.3 MBBrian De Palma at his De Palma-y-iest. This movie is nuts in a fun, unhinged, anything goes way. Come for the impeccably designed set pieces, stay for the absurdly enjoyable twists in this noir-ish thriller.
SUNSHINE
May 27, 2021 23:50 - 35 minutes - 33.1 MBSci-fi specialist screenwriter Matt O'Connell joins the show to talk Danny Boyle and Alex Garland's sci-fi film SUNSHINE. Featuring an international ensemble cast, including Chris Evans in prickly very non-Captain America mode, Cillian Murphy, Rose Byrne, Cliff Curtis constantly getting more sunburnt as he obsessively stares into the sun, Michelle Yeoh and Hiroyuki Sanada (not to mention Mark Strong as the divisive villain), this is a truly unique sci-fi film which both delivers the genre goo...
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Let Me Tell You About My Murder
May 21, 2021 03:25 - 3 minutes - 3.32 MBSpecial announcement - a true crime podcast I directed/produced is out now! Based on a true story, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY MURDER is a scripted podcast mini-series, with great actors, original music, and immersive soundscapes. I'm super-proud of it, and it's very easy to binge, 4 episodes at about 20 minutes each. You can find the show on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts and anywhere else you listen. All those links can also be found here: https://www.voyagemedia.fm/show/let-me-tel...
SHOT CALLER
May 16, 2021 01:50 - 39 minutes - 36.9 MBScreenwriter Myron Ward joins the show for SHOT CALLER, Ric Roman Waugh's ordinary-guy to gang-kingpin prison drama, starring Nikolaj Coster-Waldau from GAME OF THRONES, Omari Hardwick from POWER, Jon Bernthal aka maybe the best actor ever, Jeffrey Donovan, Benjamin Bratt (out-mustaching everyone) and an almost unrecognizable Holt McCallany (from MINDHUNTER). This is a legitimately great movie that has heart beneath its pulpy premise.
GET SHORTY (the series)
May 05, 2021 04:33 - 32 minutes - 30.5 MBGET SHORTY with series creator Davey Holmes. This show is currently available (every episode!) on Amazon Prime. So funny, but so human, with great characters, it’s a joy to watch Chris O’Dowd, Ray Romano, and a stellar ensemble cast in this crime series.
PROMETHEUS
April 28, 2021 21:20 - 34 minutes - 32 MBScreenwriter Michael Stagliano joins the show to discuss one of the more controversial films in the ALIEN franchise, PROMETHEUS. Directed by Ridley Scott, co-written by LOST writer Damon Lindelof, starring the incredible Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Logan Marshall Green, Charlize Theron, Guy Pierce, and Idris Elba. We love this movie, but acknowledge it's not for everyone, and marvel and puzzle over its glories and surprising choices.
TRIPLE FRONTIER
April 22, 2021 19:18 - 33 minutes - 30.6 MBThere’s so much under the surface of this film, another thoughtful, subversive movie from JC Chandor, that just happens to also be a giant 100M plus action film with Ben Affleck, Charlie Hunnam, Oscar Isaac, Garret Hedlund and Pedro Pascal.
THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBERT FORD
April 15, 2021 19:57 - 40 minutes - 37.2 MBDon’t let the title intimidate you, this is one of the top 5 Westerns ever. I’m joined this week by screenwriter Bob Thielke, who wrote two Western films I developed as an executive. We discuss this amazing but under seen film, with career work from Brad Pitt, Casey Affleck, director Andrew Dominik and cinematographer Roger Deakins.
SOUTHLAND TALES
April 08, 2021 20:10 - 44 minutes - 41.5 MBMicho Rutare, development executive, writer and producer of the SHARKNADO films, SyFy's Z NATION, and a series of extremely compelling election ads, is the perfect guest to discuss Richard Kelly's bizarro satire/dark comedy/metaphysical drama SOUTHLAND TALES. Featuring early days Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Mandy Moore, Justin Timberlake, and a mad-libs assortment of interesting character actors, this film demands discussion. It's a strange film, but a lot of fun if vi...
PARANORMAL ACTIVITY: THE MARKED ONES
April 01, 2021 18:12 - 22 minutes - 20.4 MBI could not think of a better guest for PARANORMAL ACTIVITY: THE MARKED ONES, very explicitly the Latino PARANORMAL ACTIVITY, than my wife Adriana, who is obsessed with ghost shows, ghost movies, and specifically the Mexican cultural connections to the supernatural. My wife is the target audience for this movie, to the point that she essentially was the reason it got made, metaphorically-speaking (we explain on the show). This movie made money, but is super-critically-underrated. For anyone w...
YOU’RE NEXT
March 26, 2021 23:04 - 34 minutes - 31.5 MBOne of the best home invasion movies ever - Adam Wingard and Simon Barrett, the creative team from THE GUEST, bring their trademark dark humor, biting edge, and genre thrills to a movie that is as much a great slasher as it is a great dark comedy. Featuring an ensemble cast of other genre filmmakers and actors (Barbara Crampton, Larry Fessenden, Ti West, Joe Swanberg), and a star turn by Sharni Vinson, this is genre fun for genre enthusiasts. Dean Movshovitz, author of an Amazon bestselling b...
THE SKELETON TWINS
March 20, 2021 23:34 - 43 minutes - 40.6 MBThree very accomplished producers of THE SKELETON TWINS, Jared Goldman (PALMER, THE DEVIL ALL THE TIME), Stephanie Langhoff (SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED) and Jennifer Lee (also an editor, she edited this film and has edited on RAMY), had a mini-reunion on the show. Much as the film is a loving celebration of family, it's clear that making the film was a family affair, in terms of how close the cast and crew were. Kristin Wiig and Bill Hader make this maybe the best movie about brothers and sisters ...
ROBIN HOOD: MEN IN TIGHTS
March 12, 2021 22:05 - 31 minutes - 29.6 MBBreaking the rules of the show, I'm having on our first non-industry guest, my sister. Why? Because we watched ROBIN HOOD: MEN IN TIGHTS, at least a hundred times since we were kids. This movie has been quoted within our family for literal decades. We try and unpack why this film, generally considered a lesser entry in the Mel Brooks oeuvre, is our favorite of his movies, and the one we rewatch the most. Featuring Cary Elwes, Dave Chappelle, Richard Lewis, Patrick Stewart, and Brooks himself,...
TRIPLE NINE
March 05, 2021 21:57 - 38 minutes - 36 MBBig guest this week! Top screenwriter Matt Cook - the writer of TRIPLE NINE, PATRIOTS DAY, ANGEL HAS FALLEN and THE INFORMER. Matt joins us to talk about his film TRIPLE NINE, which has legitimately one of the best casts of any movie ever period. Casey Affleck, Anthony Mackie, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Clifton Collins Jr., Woody Harrelson, Aaron Paul, Kate Winslet, Gal Gadot, Norman Reedus, Teresa Palmer and Michael K. Williams. On top of that, it's directed by John Hillcoat, director of the stellar ...
ALPHA DOG
February 26, 2021 23:49 - 39 minutes - 36.2 MBScreenwriter James Madejski joins the show to discuss the Justin Timberlake, Anton Yelchin, Emile Hirsch film ALPHA DOG. Our experiences with these actors have changed so much over the years that watching this movie is a different experience. That also goes for Ben Foster, whose stardom was arguably birthed with his scene-stealing role in this movie. A film that divided critics and was perhaps unfairly appraised because of the story world it takes place in, this is a GREAT movie, and one that...
MAN ON FIRE
February 19, 2021 21:18 - 34 minutes - 32 MBDevelopment executive, writer and producer Cam Cannon joins the show to unleash hell in one of the best man-on-a-mission movies ever, absurdly maligned by critics, and one of the most successful DVD releases ever. Peak Denzel, peak Tony Scott, somehow also peak Dakota Fanning. This is a stellar film, not just a guilty pleasure, but a legitimately great movie.
THE CHASER
February 13, 2021 20:48 - 36 minutes - 34.2 MBFormer Korean resident, Jason Rogers, a screenwriter who had a pen-pal relationship with the real-life serial killer who inspired this film, is my guest. The movie is THE CHASER, by master filmmaker Na Hong Jin, who also directed THE YELLOW SEA and THE WAILING. An intense thriller you won’t be able to stop watching, without the guardrails for the audience of Western cinema.
KILL LIST
February 04, 2021 22:05 - 31 minutes - 28.7 MBScreenwriter Andrew Henderson joins the show to talk about a Movies I Love That No One Talks About all-star, the prototype for the show, KILL LIST. This is a movie people don't look for, they hear about it, in awed whispers. It's a movie that will make you shout profanities at your television in shock, and (depending on your taste) unhinged glee at the madness and audacity of the storytelling. It's weirdly funny at times, nerve-shatteringly-tense at times, and a true original. If you're looki...
GREEN ROOM
January 28, 2021 21:45 - 33 minutes - 30.8 MBPatrick Stewart plays a Neo-Nazi in GREEN ROOM, Jeremy Saulnier's no-holds-barred punk rock thriller. Also featuring Anton Yelchin, this movie is impossible to tear yourself away from once it locks in its macabre premise. Producer Nick Oleksiw returns to the show to discuss this unnervingly tense film.
QUARRY
January 20, 2021 12:06 - 58 minutes - 54 MBTwo of our coolest guests ever join the show for this very special TV-centric episode, call it TV SHOWS I LOVE THAT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT. We're talking about QUARRY, the fantastic Cinemax series, with the creators of the show, Michael Fuller and Graham Gordy. A unique fusion of post-Vietnam social commentary, pulpy thriller, and psychological drama, this show is one of a kind. Logan Marshall Green is hypnotic in the lead, with Jodi Balfour, Damon Herriman, and Peter Mullan absolutely owning the...
I’M YOUR WOMAN
January 13, 2021 22:09 - 34 minutes - 32.4 MBLine producer Bart Lipton (JOHN WICK: CHAPTER 3, LA LA LAND) joins the show to discuss the Amazon film I'M YOUR WOMAN, starring Rachel Brosnahan of THE MARVELOUS MRS. MAISEL against-type in this gritty crime drama, told from a female perspective. The story features perhaps the best baby-acting performance of all-time. It also features stunning moments of unexpected violence, and the ambiguity and depth of dare-I-say THE GODFATHER: PART II. It's really great, and Bart helped me understand how ...
DRAG ME TO HELL
January 08, 2021 01:36 - 30 minutes - 28.4 MBFilmmaker Michael Steves joins the show to discuss Sam Raimi's delightfully deranged horror film, DRAG ME TO HELL. Just a damn good times at the movies, with a talking goat, the most brutal fight between a 20-something and an octogenarian ever captured on film, a nasty sense of humor, and more gross-out gags than you can shake a stick at. The movie equivalent of a horror theme park ride, this film has stood the test of time.
THE MIST
December 31, 2020 00:15 - 40 minutes - 37.7 MBScreenwriter and comic book writer Boaz Dror joins the show to talk about Frank Darabont's second-most-famous adaptation of a Stephen King novella, THE MIST. This film has one of the top holy shi*t ending in cinematic history. It's one of the boldest, most compellingly bleak pieces of monstrous horror that calls to mind early seasons of THE WALKING DEAD... which, not coincidentally, Frank Darabont also worked on. Featured a great cast of character actors, including Marcia Gay Harden as a vill...
GOOD TIME
December 24, 2020 04:39 - 38 minutes - 35.4 MBCreator of the Emmy-winning series #FREERAYSHAWN Marc Maurino joins the show to have a manic night out with Robert Pattinson and the Safdie brothers in GOOD TIME, the predecessor of UNCUT GEMS.
JOY RIDE
December 17, 2020 22:59 - 30 minutes - 28 MBJJ Abrams co-wrote this lean and mean thriller, directed by show favorite John Dahl (ROUNDERS) and starring Paul Walker and the always great Steve Zahn. At every step, this movie is five times better than it had to be. A legit minor classic of the genre. Producer Nick Oleksiw joins me to discuss the film, and our friendship that mirrors the central duo.
CHILDREN OF MEN
December 10, 2020 21:44 - 43 minutes - 39.9 MBCinematographer and director David A. Armstrong (the SAW franchise) joins the show to talk about maybe the Hall of Fame cinematography movie of all time, CHILDREN OF MEN. Directed by Alfonso Cuaron (GRAVITY, ROMA), starring Clive Owen in maybe his best performance, with great supporting turns by Michael Caine, Julianne Moore, and Chiwetel Ejiofor. This stunning movie, incredibly, was not nominated for Best Picture or Best Director, and made only 35M in the United States. David helps me unders...
RED ROCK WEST
December 04, 2020 00:47 - 35 minutes - 33 MBScreenwriter Daniel Cameron joins the show to discuss this neo-Western/neo-noir, starring Nicolas Cage, Dennis Hopper, Lara Flynn Boyle and JT Walsh. Directed by one of my favorite filmmakers, John Dahl (ROUNDERS), this film was basically dumped by its distributor, but refused to die, and has gone on to have a cult following, for one reason - it's good. Incredibly well-structured, twisty, and engaging. Try to watch the first 25 minutes of this movie and stop watching.
ARLINGTON ROAD
November 26, 2020 15:57 - 22 minutes - 20.9 MBVeteran screenwriter Adam Gaines (FX's THE BRIDGE, NBC's STATE OF AFFAIRS, Hulu's INTO THE DARK) joins the show to talk about a thriller with one of the most brutal endings in recent film history, a film that put screenwriter Ehren Kruger on the map, a movie Adam literally had the poster of on his wall, one of the movies that made me want to get into screenwriting, ARLINGTON ROAD. Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins square off in this nervy, paranoid thriller, which would be explosively timely if it...
SEMPER FI
November 20, 2020 01:33 - 37 minutes - 34.3 MBThe director and co-writer of this film, Henry Alex Rubin, who also directed the acclaimed documentary MURDERBALL, comes on the show to talk about SEMPER FI. This movie quietly came and went, but unfairly so. It's a heartfelt, engaging, grounded, and compelling portrait of military life, friendship, loyalty, and the burden of brotherly love. Jai Courtney gives his best screen performance and shows he will have a career long after he stops doing action films as a straight-up dramatic actor. Na...
CAPTIVE STATE
November 13, 2020 11:00 - 37 minutes - 34.6 MBThe co-writer of this film, Erica Beeney, who also wrote the Project Greenlight film THE BATTLE OF SHAKER HEIGHTS with Shia LaBeouf, joins the show to discuss CAPTIVE STATE. This is the anti alien invasion movie, subverting all your expectations to deliver something closer to THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS and ARMY OF SHADOWS, a powerful resistance movie where the heroes are, basically, terrorists. Only instead of fighting the puppet government of Vichy France in World War II, they're fighting a human...