Mid Mod Remodel
185 episodes - English - Latest episode: 2 days ago - ★★★★★ - 42 ratingsDo you live in a Mid-Century Ranch? Are you curious about an MCM house and wondering what it would take to renovate? Or are you just a fan of all things Mid-Century Modern? Mid Mod Remodel is the podcast where you learn how to match a mid-century home to your modern life. Your host, Della Hansmann is an architect who helps people remodel their Mid-century homes and mid mod homeowner fixing up1952 ranch. Learn what makes mid-century homes great, the common elements of MCM homes that nearly always need updating, and how any homeowner can plan the mid-century remodel of their dreams.
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Mid-century landscaping…is that a thing?
April 25, 2024 07:00 - 1 hour - 47.4 MBSo glad you asked! Let's talk landscaping with a certified mid-century landscaping expert - Jim Drzewiecki of Ginkgo Leaf Studio. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: How to let your house tell you how to design your landscape. Why hardscapes are the hardest (and most important) to get right. Tips for getting started on design. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1703
What are the best mid-century flooring choices?
April 18, 2024 07:00 - 38 minutes - 26.8 MBWhat is the best mid-century flooring for your house? My answer to you, to my clients, to my students and to everybody who asks me this is, it depends. Now, when I answer this way, I'm not hedging or hesitating. I do have opinions about and experience with many types of flooring in all sorts of applications. And strong personal preferences of my own! But when people ask “What's the best mid-century flooring?”, what they actually mean to ask is, “What's the best mid-century flooring for me...
How long will my remodel take?
April 11, 2024 07:00 - 33 minutes - 23.2 MBHow long will your remodel take? Well that depends on you, my friend. This week's episode kicks of a full season of listener questions. First up? Timelines. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: All about the remodel schedule venn diagram. Where it is easiest to exert some control over your remodel timeline. How to get ready to create the remodel schedule you want for your project. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1701
What we can learn from HGTV.
April 04, 2024 07:00 - 31 minutes - 21.6 MBIn the last episode of our HGTV season we’re talking about what we can learn from looking at other people’s houses. Despite its shortcomings, HGTV offers glimpses into remodeling and design processes and practical lessons for would-be remodelers. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why HGTV might not be all bad. How to use HGTV and mainstream shelter media to your advantage. Where to find more mid-century friendly inspiration. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://ww...
White paint. STILL not the answer.
March 28, 2024 07:00 - 41 minutes - 28.7 MBWhite paint on wood? Well, that depends. Today's episode is going to be a love story to the wooden elements of a mid-century home. The main takeaway? Leave your original mid-century wood alone. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why paneling is not the place for paint - white or otherwise. How mid-century hollow core doors are different than their modern cousins. Where paint can be great! Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1612.
Painting it white is not the answer.
March 21, 2024 07:00 - 31 minutes - 21.8 MBToday let's talk about why slapping a coat of white paint on your mid-century brick, stone or concrete block is never the right answer. Even if your house is entirely brick or entirely stone, there are still meaningful things you can do to change the feeling of your house without large quantities of white paint. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why painting it white is so tempting. Who that white paint is for. (*hint*, it's not for the homeowner) The first three materials you should NE...
A ranch is not a cottage (and it never will be).
March 14, 2024 07:00 - 26 minutes - 18.3 MBThere are key difference between cottages and mid-century ranch homes. Your ranch is not a cottage, so steer clear of cottage style updates. In many ways American homes changed more between 1930 and 1950 than they have since. Part of the reason I find ranches so interesting is how modern they are in their essential nature. Dated fixtures and finishes aside, a ranch built in 1952 is essentially a modern home. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: How ranches and cottages are related. Where ...
Change your home, change your life.
March 07, 2024 08:00 - 27 minutes - 19 MBThe culture we live in is selling us doublespeak that you must remodel your home to make it your home. You can't just take a house as it is. And there's only one right way to improve your home. Let's interrogate this modern urge to change your life by changing your home. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: When a tiny tweak can feel transformative. Why you and your house are great, as you are. How to plan a remodel that can actually change your life. Get the full show notes with all th...
Master Plan your...clutter?
February 29, 2024 08:00 - 28 minutes - 19.6 MBDo you have objects in your life in your house that you would categorize as clutter? Probably you do. I know I do. Decluttering sometimes feels like our national pastime, or problem. And HGTV has multiple shows devoted to the topic. Or if you prefer your Marie Kondo straight from the source her show is on Netflix. I've talked in the past about how to manage clutter in your life with design. And that's all well and good. But today, I want to talk about this from another angle. First, is the ...
BONUS: How to Plan an MCM Remodel to Fit Your Life (and budget)
February 26, 2024 16:00 - 1 hour - 71.8 MBIf you listen to the Mid Mod Remodel Podcast regularly, you hear lots about the tips and tools I recommend to help you plan and lead your perfect MCM remodel. And once or twice a year I boil down the most helpful of those tips and tools into a free masterclass that I offer live. In the past that session was only available to the folks who signed up and attended the live event, but now you can listen on the go! (but just for one week.) In Today's Episode You'll Learn: The three biggest m...
Your remodel should not be a surprise.
February 22, 2024 08:00 - 26 minutes - 18.5 MBA surprise reveal is a mainstay of remodeling TV shows and it's basically a jumpscare. Your ideal remodel should include few to no surprises. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why a surprise remodel reveal is worse than your average jumpscare. When remodeling related surprises are a GOOD thing (hint, it’s way before construction begins)! How to avoid remodeling surprises and love everything about your remodel. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwes...
Trends are not your friend.
February 15, 2024 08:00 - 28 minutes - 19.8 MBToday I am future you’s best friend. Do you know who is not future you’s best friend? HGTV. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why trendy remodels mean more waste and less joy. How to stand strong in the face of before and after photos. Where to embrace trends you love for a remodel that will stand the test of time. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1606
How to have a big remodeling fight with your partner
February 08, 2024 08:00 - 26 minutes - 18.4 MBWant to know how to have a BIG fight with your partner about your remodel? Or even a series of many smaller fights that blur into each other and become frustration and resentment? Welcome to the Valentine’s Day episode of Mid Mod Remodel! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why all those couples on HGTV seem so MAD. How to design your drama free dream remodel. Which tools will help you create the most remodeling harmony along with the best results. Get the full show notes with all the t...
The modern "mid-century" dream kitchen
February 01, 2024 08:00 - 29 minutes - 20.2 MBThe modern mid-century dream kitchen isn’t the kitchen that Lucy Arnez or Donna Reed or Carol Brady had. It also isn’t the kitchen you might find in vintage kitchen ads. And it certainly isn’t the kitchen you’ll find in most builder grade ranches. So what exactly is it then? In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why you are the most important design element of your dream kitchen. The (very few) universals of good kitchen design. Quick kitchen fixes to try if your big remodel is still a way...
Why are mid-century kitchens?
January 25, 2024 08:00 - 20 minutes - 14.3 MBAspirational mid-century kitchens influenced the kitchens we live in and love today. The kitchens that served as backdrops for our favorite mid-century TV families often included features missing for the builder basic kitchens of the time (and still missing in many of our ranches!). In Today's Episode You'll Hear: When the kitchen shifted from work zone to social space. All about features of some of the OG aspirational mid-century kitchens. How aspirational kitchens of the past can inf...
Cooking with gas...ads and sponcon in remodeling "reality" shows.
January 18, 2024 08:00 - 29 minutes - 20.1 MBWant the most reliably biased remodeling advice around? Head for HGTV. In fact, pick up or turn on any mainstream piece of home and garden media. Now, try to separate expert advice from paid content. What you’ll find is a strong push toward well funded trends that dominate the industry. Certain elements seem to make it into every renovation. Think gas stoves, stainless steel finishes, professional grade appliances, countertop materials like granite and marble, luxury vinyl flooring. In To...
The (main) problem with HGTV.
January 11, 2024 08:00 - 27 minutes - 18.8 MBThis season, I'm pushing back on the default remodeling advice that we all encounter on television and in online magazines, see manifested in big box home improvement stores and hear echoed in the mouths of run-of-the-mill general contractors. But you know I'm not about negativity! Instead, you are going to get all the positive, encouraging, actionable advice to help you make timeless choices tailored to your home. In short, this season's theme is "The remodel advice you will never get...
Cornerstones of Mid-Century Design: Applying the Cornerstones
January 04, 2024 08:00 - 28 minutes - 19.9 MBIf you've been following along this month you know the four cornerstones of a great Mid Mod design ... but how do you make sure that you're going to bake them into your own home and plans? Before you start calling contractors and deciding what to do first ... I want you to hit pause for just a moment. The best way to make the most of your mid-century remodel is to use the Master Plan method! Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1505.
Cornerstones of Mid-Century Design: Flow Between Spaces
December 28, 2023 08:00 - 28 minutes - 19.9 MBWhen we think about gorgeous mid-century homes, many of us picture a glass wall separating the living room from a patio and lush backyard. Or a sunken living room that flows from the formal entry. Glass. Open spaces with exposed structure. Screens that allow a peek through to the next space. Stone that seems to continue seamlessly from the exterior through to the central fireplace. This amazing flow from one space to the next and out into the yard is definitely a feature of high-end mid-c...
Cornerstones of Mid-Century Design - Mix of Materials
December 21, 2023 08:00 - 27 minutes - 19.2 MBYour material and finish choices can make or break a mid mod remodel. Choose correctly and you'll enhance your home with lovely, long-lasting materials that feel period-appropriate and yet somehow timeless…and don't break your budget. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: When to save original materials. How to combine mid-century and modern materials in your remodel. The secret to making every material choice easier. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-mi...
Cornerstones of Mid-Century Design - Simple Shapes
December 14, 2023 08:00 - 21 minutes - 15.1 MBYou'll find simple shapes everywhere in a mid-mod design - from the basic triangle of a gable roof to the gentle curve of a kidney shaped swimming pool. The simple playful shapes of mid-century design put the focus back on the materials they're made from and the overall balance (the asymmetry) of the design. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why simple shapes became possible in the mid 20th century. How simple shapes actually make life easier. When using shapes that date your house is a...
Cornerstones of Mid-Century Design - Asymmetry
December 07, 2023 08:00 - 17 minutes - 12.2 MBAsymmetry, in a nutshell, is about balance...instead of matching. In previous eras, impressive home design showed its classiness with repeating, matching elements along a central line. These elements feel formal, weighty and grand. The mid-century aesthetic challenged this formality. Mid-century design is about being off-center and less structured, but still balanced. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why asymmetry is a cornerstone of mid mod design. How balance can be more inviting ...
Letting cycles of life guide your remodel.
November 30, 2023 08:00 - 21 minutes - 14.8 MBLet’s talk about a revelation I recently had about planning your remodel - the importance of the cycles in your life as you tailor your home to match your lifestyle. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why laundry may be the best allegory for cycles of life. How to plan for now and also make great choices for future you. And why catering to the messy, chaos-ridden parts of your life might make your remodel better than you could have imagined. Get the full show notes with all the trimming...
Best Of Mid Mod Remodel - Episode 1009: Use the Holidays to Focus Your Remodel Plans.
November 23, 2023 08:00 - 23 minutes - 16 MBThis episode originally aired on December 8, 2022. I want you to use your holiday prep time to plan your remodel. Okay, Before you tell me, Della, that's crazy. The holidays are when I'm busiest. I can't be picking out tiles and solving problems and calling contractors during this period. You're right. Of course you can't. You know me. I wouldn't ask you to make your life harder when it's already full. Instead, make your future life easier by harnessing all of the satisfactions (and frus...
A Very Mid-Century Holiday Chat with Make It Mid-Century
November 16, 2023 08:00 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MBIn the chat you've all been waiting for...Susan Halla of Make It Mid-Century and Della dish on mid-century design. Listen in as the creator of the Master Plan Method meets the creator of Sparkle Lam to talk about architecture, how to listen to your house and why you should NEVER paint your brick. It's a meeting of similar, mid-century loving minds full of great advice, retro and modern resources, and holiday gift ideas. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: About the crime lab/mid-century kit...
Get Your Remodel On Track
November 09, 2023 08:00 - 21 minutes - 15 MBI know you've been daydreaming about your perfect mid-century remodel for months (years?), but somehow reality just hasn’t caught up to your Pinterest board. Sometimes it can feel like your remodel planning has gone completely off the rails. Or at least dropped off your radar. So, how do you get your remodel on track once it feels off? In Today's Episode You'll Hear: When the fluffy fun part of a process is also the most valuable. Why the secret to getting your remodel back on track is...
Master Plan in a Month
November 02, 2023 07:00 - 17 minutes - 12 MBThink your remodeling timeline is too tight for a master plan? Think again! You can get (most of) the benefits of a master plan in just 30 days of planning. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why some things are worth half-assing. The one thing that is sure to slow you down…and fast! Why you don’t have to pick no planning or all the planning. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1409
Spooky Season Part 2 - Other Common Hazards (Asbestos, Radon and Mold …Oh My!)
October 26, 2023 07:00 - 25 minutes - 17.4 MBLast week I dove deep into risks related to lead lurking in your mid-century home and talked a bit about vile VOC’s off-gassing into the air. This week I’m exploring other common hazards that you may come across in your mid century home. In Today's Episode You'll Learn: All about some scary stuff that could be hiding in you mid-century charmer! The history of an (almost) undetectable basement lurker…and why you might want to test your home. Why it’s important to check your closets and ...
Spooky Season Part 1 - Lead Paint and Other Hazards
October 19, 2023 07:00 - 25 minutes - 17.5 MBLet's celebrate spooky season with a pair of episodes covering some common mid-century house hazards to be aware of. Part one? Lead paint and other panic-producing paint by products...vile VOC's. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: All about the USA’s weird relationship with lead. When to worry about the potential for lead exposure. How to stay calm and remodel on SAFELY if you find some lead lurking in your mid-century home. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www...
Do You Need a Mid-Century Contractor?
October 12, 2023 07:00 - 24 minutes - 17.1 MBSo, you are ready to kick off your remodel. (are you, though?) The last big question (is it, though?)...how to find an experienced, qualified mid-century contractor. Don't worry! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: What makes for a great mid-century contractor. How to find the best contractor for you! The secret to making sure your contractor keeps mid-century in mind. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1406
Your Mid-Century House was Built for an Addition
October 05, 2023 07:00 - 26 minutes - 18.6 MBAre you preoccupied with space? Obsessing about vast expanses and endless horizons? Do you just need a little more room? Or maybe just another little room? Mid-century homes are often the right size for modern living. Until they aren’t. An addition may be just what you need to fit your modern life into you mid-century home. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: How to decide if an addition is the right solution for your home. What you need to know BEFORE you start planning. Tricks to s...
The How and Why of (This) Residential Architect
September 28, 2023 07:00 - 20 minutes - 14.4 MBDid you know that average cost to hire a residential architect to design a remodel is $47,000. Isn’t that crazy? I used to work on projects with price tags just like that and … now I don’t. But I do still believe that design makes all the difference! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: A summary of the “usual” residential architecture process. Which pieces of this process are must haves for any mid-century homeowner planning a remodel. How to get just the “architecture” you need for a r...
Keep Your Remodel Out of the Landfill
September 21, 2023 07:00 - 25 minutes - 17.8 MBDo you ever think of your home as destined for the landfill? This is dark, I know. But all things are…eventually. Every part and piece of your home has a useful life, a finite number of years to serve as a dwelling. So how can you plan an upgrade for your house that will keep it out of the landfill for as long as possible? I’m so glad you asked! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why gutters may be the greenest technology around. Making sure your modern materials will be in it for the lon...
Remodels By, With and For Women
September 14, 2023 07:00 - 23 minutes - 16.4 MBHow did I become so invested in empowering women to be strong leaders in their own home improvement projects? As a young female architect, I've faced skepticism and dismissal from male colleagues and contractors throughout my career. But over many years and many projects I've learned to push back confidently and achieve the results I believe in. Not everyone has the luxury of building this confidence over time, especially women homeowners who may only go through one or two remodels in thei...
How to actually enjoy your remodel
September 07, 2023 07:00 - 19 minutes - 13.2 MBI bet you can’t wait to tuck into your new banquette with your morning coffee or to slip into your Onsen tub…once your remodel is finished. But I’m here to tell you that you don’t have to wait until everything is finished to enjoy your remodel. You can enjoy every phase of your remodel, from planning to leading to living in your finished home! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: The Remodel Serenity Prayer…well, sort of. How to approach your remodel like an adventure! Where to focus to m...
Build that guest room in your basement
August 31, 2023 07:00 - 23 minutes - 16.2 MBBasements are the best. Bonus space for creating cozy guest suites, great game rooms or awesome home offices without the expense of an addition right under your feet. So, if you’re lucky enough to have a basement go ahead and make the most of it! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Strategies for maximizing natural light, even if you don’t have a walkout. How to reimagine layout and flow down below. When a basement is like a bathtub. (And what to do if this is you!) Get the full show not...
Best Of Mid Mod Remodel - The Style Guide System (will save your sanity)
August 24, 2023 07:00 - 24 minutes - 17 MBThis best of episode is essential listenting! You need a masterplan approach to be able to a) get started in the first place , b) keep going with a minimum of unpleasant expensive surprises and c) end up with a home that looks and works the way you want and need it to. Making changes to your home’s layout and flow is how you make sure it is going to work the way you want. The style guide is the lever by which you can easily control the way your home looks. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: ...
How to make your remodel more expensive (or cheaper)
August 17, 2023 07:00 - 18 minutes - 12.9 MBAre you hoping to make your remodel more expensive? I bet you aren't. But so.many.people make the same remodel planning mistakes that are pretty much guaranteed to make your remodel more expensive than it needs to be! Plus they won’t add any value to the remodeling process, the life you'll lead in the house when it's done, or how much you like the look of your finished project. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: The four choices you can make to guarantee a MORE expensive remodel. How to av...
How to Measure Your House
August 10, 2023 07:00 - 24 minutes - 16.7 MBMid-century homes aren't just livable, cute and in style right now. They were actually built in a way that is easier to document, measure and understand. Which means measuring for any remodeling project is (almost) a breeze for a remote design team like Mid Mod Midwest or a homeowner like you! In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why mid-century homes are a dream for DIY documenters. How to measure your house as you plan your renovation. Some tools of the trade and documentation tips. Get...
A basement owners’ suite - the upside of upside down living
August 03, 2023 07:00 - 27 minutes - 19.3 MBCould you be overlooking the perfect spot for your dream owners’ suite? If your mcm home has a basement you might be! Adding a dreamy bedroom with an amazing en suite in the basement (or on a lower level) offers some real advantages…even if your only views are of the other adorable mid-century homes in your neighborhood. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why your basement might just be the perfect spot for your owners’ suite. How to ensure your basement bedroom is up to code. The true ...
Talking MCM Beds and Baths with Della and Sarah
July 27, 2023 07:00 - 40 minutes - 28 MBDo you ever wish you could just sit down and chat with an experienced friend about how to make the right choices for your mid-century home? Well, that's what Sarah Yearout, a realtor with Mid-Century Homes in Boise, and I do every week over on Instagram. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why Della encourages caution if you’re considering wallpaper in a bathroom. How Sarah made a barn door work in her mcm bedroom. One of the best tile resources around for vintage mid-century lovers…as w...
Mid-Century Bath Design Basics
July 20, 2023 07:00 - 26 minutes - 18 MBMost mid-century bathrooms are pretty modest by modern standards. They tend to be small and there often are too few of them in the house. Upgrading or restoring the mid-century charm in a bathroom while making it work better is one of the most consistent requests from both design clients and Ready to Remodel students. So, how can you give yourself a serious bathroom upgrade while remaining true to the mcm feel of you home? The right choices for you are going to depend on your family and you...
Easy Owners’ Suite Space Steals
July 13, 2023 07:00 - 16 minutes - 11.6 MBDon't have an owners’ suite in your modest mid-century home? Want one? Let's talk about how to make that happen. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Where to snag the space you need for the owners’ suite you want. How to design a cost conscious addition. Some surprising ways to find space in even the snuggest homes. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest.com/1305
Bedroom Storage Secrets
July 06, 2023 07:00 - 21 minutes - 15.1 MBLooking for clever bedroom storage solutions designed to fit into to your (modest) mid-century bedroom? These bedroom storage secrets will help you create a mid mod inspired space that meets your modern storage needs. In today's episode you'll hear: How to maximize storage in a mini mid-century bedroom. Why you don't want a walk-in closet. The power of personalized storage. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at https://www.midmod-midwest/1304
Why the perfect first project is a small bath remodel
June 29, 2023 07:00 - 19 minutes - 13.1 MBIf you are stuck in neutral on your remodel, the best way kickstart the work is to find a perfect first project. I hear you out there yelling, “Della! I don’t know which project is the perfect first project!!! If I knew, I’d start already.” I have good news for you. I know exactly which project is your perfect first project. In fact, it’s the perfect first project for almost any remodeler. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: Why the “perfect first project” is a small bathroom update. The t...
Pivot With a Master Plan
June 22, 2023 07:00 - 21 minutes - 15.1 MBDiscover how being prepared to pivot can save your remodel and your sanity. Every remodeling project gets stuck at some point. Life is chock-full of surprises, setbacks, and unexpected twists - work or family obligations change, supply chain snags mean choosing different materials, shifts in the economy make scope or schedule changes a must. In Today's Episode You'll Hear: All about the ideal architect-lead home remodel…and why you (or I) probably won’t be doing that, tysm! Why the be...
The Owners' Suite - A Quick History
June 15, 2023 07:00 - 21 minutes - 14.9 MBDoes the primary bed/bed configuration in your modest ranch leave a lot to be desired? You may just have one hall bath. Or (upgrade alert!!!) a sort-of-sad powder room off the owners’ bedroom. An owners’ suite has become a must have in modern homes, but less than a generation ago almost half of U.S. homes were still without indoor plumbing. So how did our bathroom expectations change so drastically in such a short time? And more importantly, how the heck do you fit an owners’ suite into a m...
The Power of Sketches
June 08, 2023 07:00 - 29 minutes - 20.5 MBSketching is the most important visual thinking tool you can use to plan your remodel. Sketches help you generate ideas quickly, explore alternatives without risk and avoid getting bogged down in the details too soon. And YOU CAN Sketch…even if you have kindergarten-level drawing skills. Get the full show notes with all the trimmings at www.midmod-midwest.com/1212
Easy Summer Projects to Tackle This Weekend
June 01, 2023 07:00 - 20 minutes - 13.8 MBWhat feels like the true beginning of summer to you? Memorial Day weekend? The first lightning bugs of the year? The last day of school? For me, my birthday in early June is the real start of summer! It kind of feels like we just dived into the middle of summer in the last week or two and I have a feeling you might be in exactly the right headspace to take on some easy summer projects to make your mid-century home a little more your own. So, grab your lemonade and a lawn chair and listen...
Ready to Remodel Student Interviews
May 25, 2023 07:00 - 50 minutes - 35.1 MBI LOVE updates from our homeowners, both design clients and Ready to Remodel students! Photos in the Facebook group are great. Emails with project pictures? A delight! I bet YOU like to peek inside other people's remodeling process, too! I recently reached out to see if some of my Ready to Remodel students had a few minutes to spend catching me up on their remodels and their experience in the program. We chatted on Zoom and edited those convos into a podcast for you! Get the full show not...