Mark Leonard speaks with Tomas Valasek and Nick Witney about what the real military dependence of Europeans on America looks like and what is possible within the existing security budget. The podcast was recorded on 26 July 2018.Picture credit: EATT14 DV Day by European Defence Agency via Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/eudefenceagency/14557213832/in/album-72157645478881825/, CC-BY-SA 2.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/.

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