Being Human with Steve Cuss
224 episodes - English - Latest episode: 11 days ago - ★★★★★ - 140 ratingsA new podcast from Christianity Today, Being Human with Steve Cuss is Christian counseling in podcast form. Steve Cuss, a former trauma and hospice chaplain, pastor, and leadership coach, guides listeners with a gospel-informed journey of discovery into the world of emotional health: everything from anxiety and reactivity, to triangulation, overfunctioning, and the Enneagram.
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Community, Honor and Shame, and Self Definition with Grace Liu and Cory Elisabeth
June 23, 2024 10:00 - 38 minutesHow can people connect with others without merging into them or letting them take over? How can we differentiate ourselves from one another while remaining connected in meaningful ways? These are some of the questions that Being Human host Steve Cuss poses to his guests, Grace Liu and Cory Elisabeth. The founders of Pursue Inner Growth, a coaching and counseling service in Indonesia, Liu and Elisabeth share rich and nuanced thoughts on how culture, place, and heritage shape who we are. Cuss ...
'Jesus Of The East' with Phuc Luu
June 16, 2024 10:00 - 40 minutesArtist. Theologian. Immigrant. These are the three words that come to mind for host Steve Cuss when he thinks of his guest, Phuc (Phu) Luu. On this episode, Luu responds to each of those terms, sharing how they make up who he is. Cuss and Luu discuss what it means to take refuge and the meaning to be found in the fact that Jesus himself had to take sanctuary. They talk about art as a way to depict one's inner world and what motivates Luu to paint. Luu also reacts to the image of King Charles...
My Whole Black Self With Marvin Williams
June 09, 2024 10:00 - 46 minutesHow many minutes per week do you think you can be exactly yourself? That’s the question that host Steve Cuss poses at the beginning of this episode, and it takes on specific meaning as he converses with his guest, Marvin Williams. Williams is the lead pastor of Trinity Church in Lansing, Michigan, and is currently earning his doctorate in systems theory, particularly as it pertains to the African-American experience. His forthcoming dissertation, My Whole Black Self, considers what it’s like ...
Men, Women, Power, and Health with Kadi Cole
June 02, 2024 10:00 - 51 minutesGender dynamics in the workplace. What to do when you’re the only one of your kind in the room. The power dynamics and damage of the #MeToo and #ChurchToo scandals. These are some of the heavy topics that Steve Cuss and his guest, leadership development expert Kadi Cole, consider on this episode of Being Human. Their conversation draws upon Cole’s years spent developing women leaders and working with diverse teams as one of the world’s foremost leaders in helping organizations navigate health...
Is the Gospel Preventative or Redemptive?
May 26, 2024 10:00 - 27 minutesIs the gospel primarily preventative or redemptive? What did Jesus emphasize between the two? In this episode of Being Human, Steve is joined by his wife, the Friendly Neighborhood Therapist, Lisa, to consider these questions. They talk about faith gaps, how human development affects the ways we approach faith, and comparing ourselves to the pillars of the faith. Cuss also reads from his upcoming book, The Expectation Gap, which releases on May 28th. Listeners can preorder here. Get your pre...
The Expectation Gap
May 19, 2024 10:00 - 37 minutesSteve Cuss has a special burden for pastors and church staff. As someone who spent 27 years in such roles, he knows the unique challenges personally. On this episode, Cuss shares some of his own journey, including how he struggled with conflating his identities as a child of God and what felt like being an employee of God. Cuss talks about the gap between what we believe about God and what we experience from God. He guides listeners through the story of Peter walking on water (Matt. 14). Cuss...
Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter
May 12, 2024 10:00 - 37 minutes“Did you have integrity today?” That’s the question that Steve Carter, author, podcaster, and former lead teaching pastor of Willow Creek Community Church, pictured his son asking him when allegations of sexual harassment against Bill Hybels emerged. Carter realized he couldn’t go “play church.” He had to take the allegations seriously and act with integrity, which, for him, looked like resigning. On this episode of Being Human, Cuss and Carter discuss what it looks like to have integrity whe...
Playfulness, Earnestness, and Worship
May 05, 2024 10:00 - 31 minutesA systems theorist walks into an organization and orders playfulness and earnestness. This isn’t just a silly take on a joke format—it’s a tested method of determining whether or not teams have what it takes to go the distance. As host Steve Cuss explains on this episode of Being Human, too much seriousness on a team tends to lead to rigidity, but playful teams tend to be able to handle ambiguity and challenges. Could the same be true for worship? Sometimes we get too earnest and everything ...
Non-Anxious Presence with Alan Fadling
April 28, 2024 10:00 - 36 minutes“Jesus cares for our troubles, but they don’t worry him.” So says Alan Fadling, who joins host Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. Fadling is an author and the leader of Unhurried Living, a non-profit that trains people to rest deeper, live fuller and lead better. His latest book, The Non-Anxious Life, draws from spiritual formation and touches on systems theory, as well. Cuss and Fadling discuss the ways that anxiety is not just a personal dynamic, but an organizational one. They co...
'Listen, Listen, Speak' with Jay Kim
April 21, 2024 10:00 - 44 minutesIf you struggle to keep your thoughts to yourself in the internet age, you’re not alone. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss admits that he struggles with a core belief that sounds something like the world needs my opinion. What are Christians to do in an era when there’s nonstop opportunity to reply, comment, and react? On this episode, Cuss welcomes someone he looks up to in this regard: Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in San Jose, California and author of several books...
The Chaplain Who Taught Steve Systems Theory: George Doebler
April 14, 2024 10:00 - 33 minutesSo much of our experience is shaped by what gets passed down to us. Whether it's trauma, wisdom, or a signature hair color, traits and knowledge travel from generation to generation. On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss welcomes George Dobeler, the chaplain who first passed down the concept of family systems theory to Cuss. Doebler and Cuss talk about Doebler's learning from Murray Bowen, who founded the theory. They discuss the importance of understanding one’s family system when it co...
Putting Beauty into the World with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth
April 07, 2024 10:00 - 47 minutesSome of the most beautiful art in existence was born of great trauma and pain. Think of Vincent Van Gogh, for example, or the Psalms written from a hiding place. On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss welcomes two artists who both know great tragedy and have produced remarkable creative work: Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth. The married couple recently published a book, Why Everything That Doesn't Matter, Matters So Much: The Way of Love in a World of Hurt, and they join Cuss for a dis...
Faith in the Workplace with Jeff Haanen
March 31, 2024 09:00 - 31 minutesThe workplace can be a setting where people see their worth and have it honored by others. It can also be a hub of discouragement, aimlessness, and a lack of encouragement. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes Jeff Haanen, author of Working from the Inside Out. Haanen, who is the founder of the Denver Faith and Work Institute, sheds light on how inner work can shape outer work and what it looks like to live out Christianity in jobs and careers. He provides listeners with ...
The Therapist and the Song Writer with Jill Phillips and Andy Gullahorn
March 24, 2024 10:00 - 33 minutesMusic is one of the host Steve Cuss’ favorite ways to relax into God’s presence. On this episode he welcomes two artists who help him do just that—Andy Gullahorn and Jill Phillips. A married couple in Nashville, Tennessee, both Andy and Jill are singer-songwriters. Jill also practices as a therapist and Andy has a unique healing ministry. The three discuss the power of songs and how the music industry has changed over time. They talk about what it means to pursue “a long obedience in the sam...
The Brain and Faith with Geoff Holsclaw
March 17, 2024 10:00 - 43 minutes"In Christ, God has come near and has walked with us. The transformation that is other than us has actually come near so that we could be changed and transformed.” So says pastor and author Geoff Holsclaw as he joins host Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. Holsclaw, who cohosts the Embodied Faith podcast and runs Western Seminary’s doctor of ministry program in spiritual formation and relational neuroscience, is deeply interested in how people grow, transform, and connect to God. On t...
Empathy and Remembering with Esau McCaulley
March 10, 2024 10:00 - 47 minutesPresence has a profound impact on our lives. So does its opposite—absence. On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cross welcomes author, professor, and public theologian Esau McCaulley. McCaulley’s book Reading While Black is dedicated to his father, which may lead people to believe that they had a close relationship. But, McCaulley says that dedication was his way of declaring, “I forgive you.” During their conversation, Cross and McCaulley talk about how the absence of paternal love can sha...
Enneagram, Anxiety, and What We Live For
March 03, 2024 14:09 - 41 minutesToday on Being Human, it’s all about the Enneagram. Steve Cuss welcomes back his friend and colleague Jimmy Carnes for a discussion about the nine types and how they reflect the character of God. Carnes explains the holy idea of each Enneagram type—also known as the nine faces of God—and the ways that we are all striving for one aspect of God to be true. Carnes and Cuss discuss the nuances of their types and others. They consider how the Enneagram system can help people identify where they ...
Triangulation and Over Functioning
February 25, 2024 11:00 - 35 minutesStart paying attention. Those three words sound simple enough. And yet, just about everyone who has tried to focus on understanding what’s going on inside themselves knows that the process can get tricky pretty fast. Introspection can be as infuriating as it is illuminating. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes his dear friend and co-laborer at Capable Life Jimmy Carnes to talk about paying attention. Their conversation covers dehumanization, inner critics, and anxiety. Ca...
The Journey Into Emotional Health
February 18, 2024 11:00 - 39 minutes“The reality of trauma is that it’s a perceived experience where we feel like the tools that we have, to cope with what we have experienced, have been exhausted … so those experiences and meaning made get stuck in our bodies.” So says Lisa Cuss, therapist and wife of Steve Cuss, on this episode of Being Human. Lisa and Steve talk about the ways trauma lodges inside of us, bodily techniques for processing difficult experiences, and what it means to understand God as the ultimate healer. They d...
The Nature of Every Belief
February 11, 2024 12:00 - 37 minutesMost Christians would probably say that relaxing in the presence of God sounds like a beautiful idea. But do we know how to do that? And do we understand what gets in our way? On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss helps listeners identify the reactivity in their lives that keeps them from experiencing connection with God, themselves, and others. He walks through a brief history of systems theory, noting the key figures who have built a body of work exploring how relational dynamics affec...
Precious vs. Core Beliefs
February 04, 2024 12:00 - 37 minutesWhat happens when we’re reactive? We disconnect from our awareness of God. So says Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. With concrete advice and a tone of encouragement, Cuss illuminates the path for listeners who want to name what causes their reactivity so they can stay connected to themselves, God, and others. Cuss explores how Jesus paves a way for us to connect to our so-called enemies. He directs listeners into prayer and peace as he shares stories of addressing anxiety and reac...
Notice and Diffuse Reactivity
January 28, 2024 12:00 - 36 minutesSteve digs deeper into the anxiety known as "reactivity" and the different ways we all respond when our values are broken by others. He uses the 2024 presidential election as an example, giving viewers a couple of tools to manage reactivity. For more about Steve, and to download his video ‘The 4 Spaces of Anxiety’ visit stevecusswords.com Being Human with Steve Cuss, in collaboration with Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Pilot Episode
January 21, 2024 04:23 - 33 minutesThe first episode of Being Human With Steve Cuss, in collaboration with Christianity Today. Steve talks about the nature of reactivity, how it disconnects us, and how being a ‘well self’ is kept for human flourishing. Steve shares much of his own journey and gives a couple of tools to manage reactivity. For more about Steve, and to download his video ‘The 4 Spaces of Anxiety’ visit www.stevecusswords.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
EP 196: Annual Wrap Up with Lisa Cuss
December 22, 2023 23:31 - 57 minutesThe Friendly Neighborhood Therapist joins Steve on this annual wrap up. They chat about lessons learned this year, giving yourself the gift of wellbeing in 2024 and what is coming down the pike for next year. Plus, Steve shares his favorite advent poem. We also announce the podcast's new name. NOTE: next year our podcast name is changing as we move onto a new partnership, but you don't need to do anything - you can access it through your existing podcast subscription. Click here to le...
Ep195: J.S. Park
December 10, 2023 21:53 - 47 minutes*Apologies for the crunchy audio at the beginning of the show* J.S. (Joon) Park is a hospital chaplain and author of The Voices We Carry. Steve first encountered J.S. through his remarkable twitter feed which is well worth a follow here. Joon talks through his first day as a chaplain, how verbatims help us grow and how to stay human in a world of constant suffering and death. This was a remarkable interview! Thanks to our sponsors: To make a difference in the lives of aged out fo...
EP 194: Brad Lomenick
December 03, 2023 21:56 - 57 minutesBrad Lomenick is the former president of Catalyst and the author of several books including the H3 Leader. Brad is a gifted connector and developer of people. For two decades he has met with thousands of Christian leaders. In this interview, Steve gets into Brad's early leadership experience when he was 8 and what wrangling horses taught him about leadership. Like others before him, he gleefully endured the Gauntlet. To make a difference in the lives of aged out foster youth visit Dream M...
Ep 193: Julie Mavis and Annika Marek-Barta
November 27, 2023 01:09 - 49 minutesJulie Mavis is the Founder of Dream Makers Project, an organization dedicated to helping youth as they age out of foster care. Because of Dream Makers, these kids do not have to face the world, their future and their decisions alone. Julie is joined in this interview by Annika Marek-Barta, herself a former foster youth and on the Dream Makers team. In this powerful interview, we get into Julie's journey with foster care and why she launched Dream Makers. Annika also shares about her jou...
EP 192: William Vanderbloemen
November 19, 2023 22:46 - 52 minutesSteve LOVED interviewing William Vanderbloemen on this week's episode. He brought so much needed wisdom for leaders today. William is the founder of Vanderbloemen Search Group. Since their founding they have placed 2500+ employees into churches and non profits and they have done 30,000 job interviews. It is out of this unique experience as well as being a former pastor that William writes his latest book, Be The Unicorn: 12 Data-Driven Habits that Separate the Best Leaders from the Rest. ...
EP 191: MLA Turns 5
November 12, 2023 01:09 - 43 minutesThis week, Managing Leadership Anxiety turns five! This episode has four parts: 1) Why Steve launched MLA, early concepts and lessons. 2) Why Systems Theory, other practitioners, Steve's unique contribution to the field. 3) What Steve has learned from doing 'public' work. 4) Exciting announcements and updates for 2024. The free 'Four Spaces Of Anxiety' video. (Note, Steve may have said 'you can download' this video on the pod, but in fact you can watch it online.) Seminary Now Cust...
EP 190: Self Care For The Holidays
November 05, 2023 23:19 - 49 minutesMany leaders and people in care giving vocations are notorious for focusing on others to the detriment of wellbeing. In this episode Steve is joined by his wife Lisa as they discuss core tools of self care as we approach the holiday season. Self care, in our field, is fundamentally about relaxing into God's presence, not about self nurture or self improvement. To download a free Life Giving List, click here. To learn more about the Calm, Aware, Present Journal as a Christmas gift, click her...
EP 189: Dr Kathleen Smith
October 29, 2023 22:03 - 47 minutesDr Kathleen Smith wrote one of my all time favorite Systems books called Everything Isn't Terrible. The book is brilliant, clear and witty and a great reflection of Kathleen herself. Kathleen is a therapist in the DC area and her book gets us right into her therapy room as we follow along with her clients' journeys of healing and wellbeing. Kathleen also happens to write my favorite newsletter which you can access here. In this episode, we dig into Bowen theory, the world of dating and ...
Ep 188: Four Dynamics Part Four: Attempted Solutions
October 22, 2023 22:19 - 59 minutesThis week Steve and Jimmy look beyond problems to 'attempted solutions.' Jay Haley famously said, 'I do not address problems, I address attempted solutions.' So often we get stuck in 'more of the same' and 'try harder' because we do not see our own complicity in the situation. Steve and Jimmy look at how we get stuck and then how to get unstuck when faced with recurring problems. Thanks to Seminary Now for sponsoring this episode. To receive 30% off access, visit the MLA Seminary Now page ...
Ep 187: Four Dynamics Part Three: Stuck Patterns
October 15, 2023 22:43 - 1 hourToday, Jimmy Carnes joins Steve to continue their four part series, 'the four dynamics that infect every relationship.' They look at 'stuck' or predictable, recurring patterns. First patterns in ourselves, then in our relationships and teams. Tips to notice them and diffuse them and examples from Steve and Jimmy's own anxious lives. Thanks to Seminary Now for sponsoring this episode. Click the link and put CUSS30 in the coupon slot for 30% off access to the Managing Anxiety videos and so m...
Ep 186: Book Recommendations and
October 08, 2023 22:33 - 46 minutesI often get asked about Systems Theory books to read. In this episode, I list a number of books and also offer critique or recommendation AND I also pull out of some of the books a key tool you can use in your life. So you can listen to this book review episode, not read any books and still benefit! Books by: founders of the theory (who are all white men), women, faith based. I also talk about the challenge of Systems being such a western and individualistic theory and some pioneering work...
Ep 185: Aundi Kolber
October 02, 2023 04:12 - 54 minutesAundi Kolber is a licensed professional counselor (MA, LPC) and the best selling author of the critically acclaimed Try Softer and her new book Strong like Water. She has received additional training in her specialization of trauma- and body-centered therapies and is passionate about the integration of faith and psychology. Aundi has appeared on Good Morning America, regularly speaks at national events, and is a frequent guest on podcasts such as The Lazy Genius, Typology, and The Rise and ...
Ep 184: Four Dynamics Part Two: Reactivity
September 24, 2023 22:06 - 54 minutesThere are four dynamics that infect every relationship you have: assumptions, reactivity, stuck patterns, attempted solutions. These four dynamics infect not only your human relationships, they also infect your relationship with God. They also infect your relationship with yourself and they are a key reason why your wellbeing gets disrupted. On this episode Steve is joined by Capable Life trainer Jimmy Carnes to cover reactivity. What is it, how do you notice it, how do you manage it?...
Ep 183: Four Dynamics Part One: Assumptions
September 17, 2023 21:00 - 41 minutesThere are four dynamics than infect every relationship: assumptions, reactivity, stuck patterns and attempted solutions. In this first of four episodes, Steve and Jimmy Carnes dig into assumptions: what they are, how to notice them and why they make things so much bigger and catastrophic than they really are. To live stream or watch the Unlocking Faith conference or to get more info, click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ep 182: Benjamin Windle
September 10, 2023 22:00 - 38 minutesSteve thoroughly appreciated this chat with fellow Aussie Benjamin Windle as he brought many profound and succinct nuggets for us. Benjamin recently wrote the excellent Good Catastrophe, looking at how God turns and uses catastrophic events in our lives. Ben has lived enough of them for all of us. He has been a local church Pastor for over 20 years, including as a Founding and Senior Pastor and he consults organizations on generational understanding. He specializes in Millennial/Gen Z and y...
Ep 181: John and Nancy Ortberg
September 03, 2023 22:00 - 58 minutesJohn and Nancy Ortberg join Steve to endure several of his Gauntlet of Anxiety Questions. Not surprisingly, the questions generated MUCH wisdom from these giants in our faith. Steve found himself doing some deep work in real time as John and Nancy fleshed out a way of being human and with God. To get tickets to our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ep 180: Put Yourself OnYour Conscious List Of Relationships
August 28, 2023 23:26 - 30 minutesToday we launch a brand new tool and it is one of our favorite type of tools because it is: very straightforward and simple but is also SO obvious, we neglect it. Therefore, we can begin to practice it and revolutionize our inner wellbeing. Lisa is joined by Lisa, the Friendly Neighborhood Therapist to kick around the new tool: Put yourself on your conscious list of relationships. To participate in our upcoming Unlocking Faith Conference or to learn more, click here. Learn more about your...
Ep 179 Diving Deeper with Jimmy Carnes and Lisa Cuss
August 21, 2023 22:55 - 52 minutesThis week Steve is joined by his therapist wife Lisa and Capable Life Trainer Jimmy Carnes. They dig into Steve's morning of shame, virtues, vices and the autopilot we get into, as well as some noticing and diffusing tools. To learn more about our upcoming Unlocking Faith Conference, click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ep 178: Functional Theology with Renae Loring and Lisa Cuss
August 15, 2023 20:11 - 52 minutesWe all know what to believe and what our brain believes, but what does our anxiety believe and what does ori body believe? Sometimes the gap between our belief about God and our experience of God comes down to our functional theology. On this episode, Steve is joined by Lisa Cuss and also Capable Life trainer, Renae Loring. They dig into Renae's journey of anxiety management, how to locate your functional beliefs and how to begin to dislodge them. The Unlocking Faith conference is fast appr...
Ep 177: Glenn and Holly Packiam
July 02, 2023 22:00 - 48 minutesSteve chats with Glenn and Holly Packiam about leadership transition, establishing trust as a new leader, the challenge a leader’s spouse faces in ‘second hand criticism’ and their recent book and upcoming journal, Intentional Year and the soon to be released Intentional Year Journal. Glenn is an essential voice in these times. He brings a rare combination of compassion, academia, creativity, and thoughtfulness to his role as Lead Pastor at Rockharbor Church and so many of us have benefite...
Ep 176: Jimmy Carnes
June 25, 2023 22:30 - 46 minutesJimmy Carnes is a Capable Life trainer who has worked with Steve for over ten years. He joins Steve on the pod to chat: - What do you do when you don't know what to do. - Leadership as 'taking responsibility' rather than 'knowing what to do.' - How many milliseconds do you need to know if a worship band member is not ok? And much more. To get info and tickets for our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ep: 175: Differentiation At The Movies
June 18, 2023 22:25 - 58 minutesSometimes it is easier to SEE Differentiation before you TRY it! We frequently recommend first watching it, then noticing a time you're anxious and debriefing after and then trying it for yourself. To that end, in this episode Steve spends time clarifying what differentiation is and then shows how it shows up in: Hidden Figures, The Crown, The Princess Bride, Toy Story and Spotlight. Coming in Oct 2-4, Unlocking Faith conference. Early bird pricing ends June 30th. Join us in person, liv...
Ep 174: Ted Lasso and Attachment Theory
June 11, 2023 22:18 - 58 minutesThis week Lisa and Steve dive into the 4 styles of attachment, we help you locate your own attachment styles and then we talk through some characters from the show and their attachment. We also dig into differentiation, how some people mis use it and where we see characters differentiating well. Unlocking Faith is coming! We'll help you locate and unlock beliefs that block your enjoyment of God. Oct 2-4 in person in CO, or live stream or watch on demand. Early Bird pricing ends June 30 Lea...
Ep 173: Ted Lasso and Slow Transformation
June 04, 2023 22:01 - 41 minutes - 56.8 MBIn the first of a two part series, Steve and his wife Lisa look at the elements of Ted Lasso through Systems Theory and Attachment. In this episode they focus on how change happens, the slow, steady chipping away and four of the core elements that caused characters to grow. Unlocking Faith is Oct 2-4th. If you'd like help locating and then unlocking beliefs you hold or beliefs that hold you that are blocking your connection to God's peace, freedom and love, this conference is for you. ...
EP: 172: Precious Beliefs vs Deepest Core Beliefs
May 28, 2023 22:19 - 35 minutesWe all have beliefs that lay deeper than our belief in God and these beliefs block our connection to God. In this episode, Steve is joined by his trauma and attachment therapist wife, Lisa to chat the nature of beliefs and tools to dislodge core beliefs so our precious belief can soak deeper into our lives. Our Unlocking Faith conference is approaching! Early bird prices end June 30th. To come in person or buy a live stream or on demand video access, click here. Learn more about your ad c...
Ep 171: Jessie Cruickshank
May 21, 2023 22:00 - 45 minutesJessie Cruickshank’s new book is Ordinary DIscipleshipship - an incredible and fresh approach to the way we change and help others change. I loved this interview where Jessie digs into attachment theory, the way God wired our brains for change, the power of truth and assumptions and her favorite way to die while being outdoors. Jessie is Director of Certification for Future Church, an ordained Foursquare minister and a nationally recognized leader in the fields of Experiential Education an...
Ep 170: Nick and Christine Caine
May 14, 2023 22:00 - 53 minutesNick and Christine Caine are two of the most phenomenal people I know. Christine is an evangelist, gifted preacher and author. She and Nick lead Equip and Empower, an organization dedicated to helping women thrive in faith and leadership. They also lead A21, a global anti human trafficking organization. A21 is a full service organization from advocacy to rescue and recovery and operates in a dozen countries. In this rare treat, we hear from Nick and Christine together on the early days of ...