MBA Episode 46: Doubting Dawkins – Does the Bible Advocate Slavery? (Part 2)

This is part 2 of our discussion of whether the Bible advocates slavery. You can listen to part one here. Do you have any questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Send us an email at [email protected]. Main Points Covered: Recap of the Women in Apologetics Conference from January 2020 at Biola University LiveStream recording […]

The post MBA Episode 46: Doubting Dawkins – Does the Bible Advocate Slavery? (Part 2) appeared first on Mama Bear Apologetics.

This is part 2 of our discussion of whether the Bible advocates slavery. You can listen to part one here.

Do you have any questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Send us an email at [email protected].

Main Points Covered:

Recap of the Women in Apologetics Conference from January 2020 at Biola University

LiveStream recording is still available to purchase here.

Review of our previous podcast on this topic. We are going back to Dr. John Ferrer’s talk at the Bible and Beer Consortium titled, “Does the Bible Advocate Slavery?”

Dawkins begins and ends Chapter Six of his book, Outgrowing God, with the topic of slavery. Even though this issue may not come up in conversation all that often, as Christians, we should still be able to talk about it and have some understanding of it.
History in context is king.
The word slavery has a lot of baggage connected to it.

Continuation of John’s discussion. [Hillary and Amy will interject.]

Christian case for slavery

Christian teachers have advocated for slavery in the past
Christians have practiced slavery
Christianity has coexisted in slaving societies
Several biblical passages presume slavery
Robert Spencer, “Slavery, Christianity, and Islam,” February 4, 2008, First Things

General Negative case Against Slavery

Christians have an orthodoxy, and if things fall out of that, then we can claim that is not ours to claim. Not a true Scotsman because he’s not from Scotland.
“Christ, not Christians, define Christianity.”
Christianity makes no claims that its members are perfect.

Difference between Christians doing something evil versus them doing something evil that was legitimately justified by the Christian worldview
Not everything in Scripture is promoted
Scripture has negative examples

Look at it in context

Not everything for them (in their theocratic state) is for us.
Biblical interpretation demands application only along comparable lines.
Last challenge in the negative case is “Let’s see you do better.”

Examples of pro-slavery text in Scripture
What would you do to help people in that context overcome slavery and accomplish abolition
Remember, this is a first-century context. They don’t have abolition within reach when you read about examples of slavery in Scripture. Rome would have to be overthrown before there would be wavering as to whether slavery would be a cultural institution.

Volunteer slavery was a person selling the rights to themselves in a negotiated contract to pay off something.
Liberation occurred in three ways:

Redemption
Manumission
Cancellation of debt (e.g. Year of Jubilee)
(Potential #4) Escape/revolt (not typically an option)

If we are talking with our kids about this, what should we say?

Recognize that there is a difference in language
Look at context and history.

Closing Prayer

The Takeaways:

The question is, “Does the Bible advocate for the type of slavery that we choose in our heads?”
We should present both sides to give a fair and balanced assessment.
Slavery was often a voluntary act.
Teach your kids about language, context, and history, so that they can read the Bible according to its proper terms.

Unfamiliar Vocab:

No True Scotsman Fallacy
Casuistic law
Apodictic law
Objectivist
Relativist
Conventional ethics
Anachronistic fallacy
Manumission

Quotable Quotes:

History in context is king.
Click To Tweet

If you really want to interact with an idea, you need to see what evidence the other side is presenting, understand their argument, and present it the way they would.
Click To Tweet

Christ, not Christians, defines Christianity.
Click To Tweet

If the Bible was put in song form, it would not sound like Christian radio.
Click To Tweet

Resources Mentioned:

Outgrowing God by Richard Dawkins, Amazon

Does the Bible Advocate Slavery? John Ferrer, YouTube

Robert Spencer, “Slavery, Christianity, and Islam,” February 4, 2008, First Things

Mama Bear Apologetics, “Can Atheists be Good Without God?” podcasts

Dr. John Ferrer – “Nature is a Jerk: a Critique of Naturalist Ethics,” YouTube

Mama Bear Apologetics: Empowering Your Kids to Challenge Cultural Lies, Amazon

Raymond Westbrook, “Slave and Master in Ancient Near Eastern Law,” June 1995, Chicago-Kent Law Review, vol. 70, issue 4, article 12.

Roman Diary by Richard Platt

NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible: Bringing to Life the Ancient World of Scripture

Bible Passages Mentioned:

Ephesians 6:5
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Leviticus 22 and 25
Titus 2:9-10
2 Samuel 11:2-4
Matthew 26:15

Donate to the podcast on our website.

Looking for detailed podcast notes, which include time-stamps, definitions, full Bible verses, and more? We provide them to Patrons on Patreon who donate $10 per month or more. If you’re interested in learning more about Patreon and our giving levels, please visit patreon.com/MamaBearApologetics.

 

Hillary Morgan Ferrer

Hillary Morgan Ferrer is the founder of Mama Bear Apologetics. She is the chief author and editor of Mama Bear Apologetics: Empowering Your Kids to Challenge Cultural Lies and Mama Bear Apologetics Guide to Sexuality: Empowering Your Kids to Understand and Live Out God’s Design. Hillary has her masters in Biology and has been married to her husband, Dr. John D. Ferrer, for 15 years. Don’t let her cook for you. She’ll burn your house straight to the ground.

www.mamabearapologetics.com

The post MBA Episode 46: Doubting Dawkins – Does the Bible Advocate Slavery? (Part 2) appeared first on Mama Bear Apologetics.