The Israel Conversation
312 episodes - English - Latest episode: 14 days ago - ★★★★★ - 20 ratingsWelcome to The Israel Conversation by the Masa Leadership and Impact Center, the content engine behind Masa Israel Journey. We bring contemporary, challenging, and compelling Israel issues to light in ways that help us stay connected with what’s really going on, on the ground.
Masa Israel Journey is dedicated to shaping a promising future for the young Jewish individual, the global Jewish community, and the connection to the State of Israel. Our hope with The Israel Conversation is to educate our Masa Fellows, alumni, parents, partners, and everyone in between about Israel from a local point of view while engaging multiple perspectives.
The Israel Conversation - formerly known as the Makom Israel Teacher's Lounge - has been a lively discussion and debate on everything Israel since 2016.
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Can Hamas be Contained?
April 12, 2024 11:24 - 27 minutes - 31.6 MB406 Can Hamas be Contained? Until October 6th, the shared Israeli conception was that Hamas could be contained in the Gaza strip. Sure, the IDF would occasionally have to knock out their rocket launchers. But overall, that is something we could live with. Now since October 7th, is it possible to go back to that plan? Or has the reality changed leaving destruction of our enemies as the only valid option? Matt hosts this episode’s debate, where Calev takes the position that we can restore c...
American Abstention
April 05, 2024 09:21 - 28 minutes - 33.1 MB405 American Abstention The routine is that if Israel doesn’t approve of a United Nation Security Council resolution, the United States vetoes it. But in March, America abstained on UNSC resolution 2728. Israeli leaders (and many Israelis) were furious. Is this a big deal and a sign of things to come? Is the allyship between these two democratic nations deteriorating? Or is this just a typical dustup between administrations, soon to be in our rear view mirror? Benji hosts this episode’s d...
How will this war be seen by history?
March 31, 2024 15:34 - 23 minutes - 26.6 MB404 - How will this war be seen by history? Israel has fought Hamas in Gaza over and over again. There was Operation Cast Lead in 2008, Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and Operation Protective Edge in 2014 just to name a few. Thousands of rockets have been launched at civilian areas of Israel and Israel has counter attacked over and over again. Will the current war, Operation Swords of Iron be just another battle in this long running war? Or will this war be remembered as a moment of...
Should Freeing Hostages Be the Priority?
March 22, 2024 11:39 - 23 minutes - 27.1 MB403 Should Freeing Hostages Be the Priority? The Gaza war has challenged Israel with countless moral dilemmas. One of the most painful relates to the efforts to free the hostages. Inevitably, missions to destroy Hamas will put the lives of Israeli hostages at risk. Conversely, delays for negotiations and deals to release hostages give Hamas time to regroup or escape. How should our leaders decide to prioritize between defeating our enemies and rescuing our citizens? Matt hosts this episod...
When can we critique the government?
March 15, 2024 11:51 - 25 minutes - 29.6 MB402 When can we critique the government? “Don’t swap horses in the middle of the stream” - associated with Abraham Lincoln’s re-election campaign. Israelis, and Zionists worldwide, consistently complain about whatever government is in power. But in the middle of a war, what are the rules? Can we openly critique, complain or even demand change of a government in the middle of a national crisis? Can we afford not to? Benji hosts this episode’s debate, where Calev takes the position tha...
Proportionality and International Humanitarian Law (IHL)
March 08, 2024 11:01 - 31 minutes - 35.9 MB401 - Proportionality and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) After defining proportionality (enjoy the audio clip from the West Wing) there is so much to debate about the ethical conduct of the current war. While it is difficult for citizens to debate these issues with limited information, it is arguably their duty to do so. Is Israel correctly protecting civilian life in Gaza? Should it be sending in more humanitarian aid? How much should international opinion be taken into account? Ca...
308 Framing the Conflict Post October 7
January 05, 2024 13:26 - 31 minutes - 35.6 MB308 Framing the Conflict Post October 7 Israelis and Zionists all had to have some understanding of the conflict with Palestinian Arabs. This was as true before October 7th as afterwards. In what ways do we need to reframe those understandings after the massacres? What discomforting truths did we avoid? What misconceptions have been disproven? Calev hosts this episode’s debate, where Benji takes the position that he must reframe his understanding of the conflict, and Mike argues that he d...
Framing the Conflict Post October 7
January 05, 2024 13:26 - 31 minutes - 35.6 MB308 Framing the Conflict Post October 7 Israelis and Zionists all had to have some understanding of the conflict with Palestinian Arabs. This was as true before October 7th as afterwards. In what ways do we need to reframe those understandings after the massacres? What discomforting truths did we avoid? What misconceptions have been disproven? Calev hosts this episode’s debate, where Benji takes the position that he must reframe his understanding of the conflict, and Mike argues that he d...
Israel Citizens Filling the Breach When Government Fails
December 29, 2023 12:11 - 28 minutes - 32.8 MBIsrael Citizens Filling the Breach When Government Fails This is an era when citizens around the world don’t have a tremendous amount of trust in government. Israelis and Jews around the world are still shaken by the intelligence and operational failures that led to the October 7th massacres. In the weeks and months since, many are still complaining that the work still isn’t being taken care of. We never know what’s really happening in “the room where it happens”, and there are concerns tha...
Are Shoah Analogies Appropriate?
December 22, 2023 13:07 - 25 minutes - 29.3 MBAre Shoah Analogies Appropriate? We are all living with the trauma of the post October 7th world. It is often referred to as the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. But do comparisons to the Shoah help us contextualize and understand the world we live in? Or are any such comparisons not at best unhelpful, and at worst inappropriate? Can those analogies help us understand the victims? The perpetrators? Calev hosts this episode’s debate, where Matt takes the position that Shoah anal...
Who should be hired to do the labor in Israel?
December 15, 2023 11:22 - 31 minutes - 35.6 MBWho should be hired to do the labor in Israel? Evidence has been uncovered that Arab laborers from the Gaza strip provided Hamas with intel on the Israeli towns where they worked. In the wake of this shocking news, Israelis are debating who to hire for many basic jobs. How should we balance insecurity with inclusivity? Should Israeli Arabs return to work in Israeli Jewish businesses? What about West Bank Arabs? Should Israel return to an old Zionist idea, “Avoda Ivrit” - “Jewish Labor”? Mi...
Should Israel Fight Hezbollah?
December 08, 2023 10:39 - 27 minutes - 31.6 MBShould Israel Fight Hezbollah? While most of our attention is on the war in Gaza, there has been constant combat on our northern border. Will the battle with Hezbollah heat up to a full scale war? Should it? While war is always horrible, should Israel extend the conflict and eliminate Hezbollah as it has pledged to do to Hamas? Benji hosts this episode’s debate, where Calev takes the position that Israel should resist preemptive attacks, and Mike argues that Israel must do just that. Am...
What will happen after the war?
December 01, 2023 10:00 - 24 minutes - 28.3 MBWhat will happen after the war? When the dust settles, what will Gaza look like? What would be success for Israelis? What could make a better future for Gazans? While the war is far from over, the question is already relevant. Many are speaking about this issue in Israel and around the world. While we aren’t privy to the discussions behind the scenes where people in power are working the plans out, we can still try to figure out what the possibilities are. This is a difficult debate. All ...
What will winning the war look like?
November 24, 2023 10:02 - 31 minutes - 36.1 MBWhat will winning the war look like? This episode was recorded before the deal to recover hostages was announced. Has Israel set realistic goals in its war with Hamas? What would victory look like? Is it possible to eliminate Hamas as an organization? As an idea? Can the hostages be rescued? Can Israel win the public relations battle? Should it? Join us as we dissect these complex events, aiming to provide insight and understanding. Our goal is to help listeners process these challengin...
How did we get here?
November 17, 2023 11:49 - 28 minutes - 32.9 MBHow did we get here? In this gripping podcast episode, Calev, Alan, and Matt delve into the intricate factors that led to the October 7 massacre. Was it a result of tactical errors, intelligence failures, or misinterpretations of Hamas' intentions? Or does the root cause trace back to Israel's strategic decision to disengage from Gaza in 2005? Join us as we dissect these complex events, aiming to provide insight and understanding. Our goal is to help listeners process these challenging mo...
Crisis on Campus
October 23, 2023 11:35 - 35 minutes - 5 MBSpecial: Israel at War - Episode 3 Crisis on Campus In this third special current event episode, Calev, Liel and Mike, discuss what is happening outside of Israel in college campuses during Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza. How should students understand the anti-Israel protests? What should they do? We hope these special episodes help our listeners understand and process these difficult events in order to build up our own resilience. Together we will find the light at the end of the tunn...
Special: Israel at War - Episode 2
October 13, 2023 10:52 - 33 minutes - 5 MBSpecial: Israel at War - Episode 2 What happens next? In this second of two special current event episodes, Mike, Alan, Mordechai and Jordana discuss what may come next in Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza. They share their feelings and observations in this difficult time. We hope these special episodes help our listeners understand and process these difficult events in order to build up our own resilience. Together we will find the light at the end of the tunnel. Am Yisrael Chai!
Special Israel at War - Episode 1
October 11, 2023 20:08 - 28 minutes - 5 MBSpecial Israel at War - Episode 1 Where are we now? In this first of two special current event episodes, Calev, Liel and Matt discuss where we are on day 4 of Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza. They share their feelings and observations in this difficult time. We hope these special episodes help our listeners understand and process these difficult events in order to build up our own resilience. Together we will find the light at the end of the tunnel. Am Yisrael Chai!
Are there boundaries to Jewish caricatures?
September 22, 2023 14:29 - 13 minutes - 5 MBAre there boundaries to Jewish caricatures? We didn’t even know that Ben was recording. But he was! He recorded our discussion of a political cartoon. (you can look at it on this link) It made Matt particularly uncomfortable and we debate its appropriateness. The issue was that the government was defunding existing programs to transfer more money to Haredi causes and institutions. And so the cartoon showed Orthodox Jews running away with bags of money. Isn’t that an antisemitic trope...
Should Israel Do More to Support Ukraine?
September 15, 2023 10:38 - 32 minutes - 5 MBShould Israel Do More to Support Ukraine? Israel faces a complex dilemma when it comes to supporting Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. On one hand, Israel maintains strong historical ties with Russia, particularly regarding the Russian-speaking Jewish community. Russia has also been a key player in regional stability, particularly in Syria, where Israel has concerns about Iranian influence. Israel has generally tried to maintain a delicate balancing act between the United States and Russ...
Drafting Haredim into the IDF
September 08, 2023 14:57 - 23 minutes - 27.3 MBHaredi Draft The debate over drafting the Haredim, or ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Israel, has been a contentious issue in the country for several decades. At its core, the debate revolves around the question of whether or not Haredi men should be subject to compulsory military service like the rest of the Israeli population. This issue stems from a historical exemption granted to the Haredi community, dating back to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948. The exemption was inten...
Can Israel Have a Constitution?
September 01, 2023 11:08 - 26 minutes - 5 MBCan Israel Have a Constitution? Israel’s Declaration of Independence calls for a “Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948...". It doesn’t look like we’re going to make the deadline. The current judicial reform crisis exists because of that. So too the current crisis over the role of the Attorney General. There simply aren’t agreed upon rules of the road for how governance and legislation should take place. Of course, not...
The Apartheid Accusation
August 25, 2023 10:18 - 29 minutes - 33.7 MBApartheid Type the word “apartheid” into a google search bar and the second search that pops up is “apartheid Israel”. We’ve all heard the accusation. It is also a demonstrably false descriptor for the State of Israel. This ridiculous calumny may make a nasty sound-bite sized accusation. But for anyone genuinely trying to understand the conflict, it clearly fails to explain anything in an honest way. But this podcast has a debate format! So after explaining why the above paragraph is true...
Is There a Future for the Jewish Diaspora?
August 20, 2023 11:58 - 43 minutes - 5 MBIs There a Future for the Jewish Diaspora? Jews have been living outside of the land of Israel for thousands of years. It is a historical truth that this process started by enemies driving them into exile. But these diaspora communities settled in, expanded, and continued to migrate around the globe for over two millennia. In the 20th century, Jews chose two strategies for building a thriving Jewish future. One approach was to create and live in a Jewish State. The State of Israel was ...
Herzl vs. Ahad Ha’am
August 11, 2023 15:06 - 28 minutes - 5 MBHerzl vs. Ahad Ha’am There is an old saying that “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” We deeply believe that knowing the history of Zionist debate brings a richness of perspective and understanding to the issues that we face today. So we submit for your approval one of the first deep debates that divided the Zionist world. In past episodes when we’ve mentioned Ahad Ha’am in passing, listeners have contacted us to know who he was. But before Herzl, he was arguably the int...
Does Israel Need America?
August 04, 2023 11:27 - 27 minutes - 5 MBDoes Israel Need America? Everyone knows that Israel and America have a strong relationship. As allies their economic, political, military, and cultural ties are deeply rooted. It remains so across multiple administrations in each of the countries. But is America a necessary ally for Israel? What would happen if that relationship changed? Could Israel survive and thrive if for some reason it lost America as an ally? Matt hosts and frames the discussion, and Mike and Calev debate the is...
Where are we now, after the "Reasonableness" vote?
July 28, 2023 12:27 - 43 minutes - 5 MBNote: This is the beginning of season 9, which is season 2 of our new debate format! We decided to get this episode published in a timely fashion. Normally, our debates are meant to be “evergreen” educational discussions about Israel and Zionism. But we’re breaking the format because so many people are asking how to process the Knesset vote this week. What does the removal of the unreasonableness grounds mean for the Supreme Court? For Israeli law, Democracy and society? How should we un...
Season 2 is Coming!
July 26, 2023 16:26 - 1 minute - 5 MBWe are excited to announce the upcoming second season of our new debate format! This episode was recorded and edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Theme music by Akiva Y. Unterberg. Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and recommend our podcast.
How Should Diaspora Jews Express their Ideas About Israeli Politics?
April 27, 2023 10:19 - 28 minutes - 5 MBHow Should Diaspora Jews Express their Ideas About Israeli Politics? Note: This is the end of the season and our podcast will be on a brief hiatus. Keep subscribed for season 9! There are several factors that can make it complicated for diaspora Jews to express their opinions on Israeli politics. Here are a few: Lack of firsthand experience: Diaspora Jews may not have firsthand experience living in Israel or the Palestinian territories, which can make it difficult to fully understand the...
Should Israeli Reserve Soldiers Refuse to Serve, as a Form of Protest?
April 20, 2023 16:45 - 23 minutes - 5 MBShould Israeli Reserve Soldiers Refuse to Serve as Protests? The protests against Judicial Reform have continued on a smaller scale over the past weeks. With Passover behind us, and the national holiday season underway, Israelis are gearing up for whatever is coming next. One aspect of the protests in particular has been hotly debated. Should reservist soldiers refuse to perform their duties (“miluim’ in Hebrew) as a form of protest? Over the course of the past few months, this has been a...
Israel's Nation State Law
March 30, 2023 20:36 - 21 minutes - 5 MBNation State Law Israel's Nation-State Law, also known as the Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People, was passed by the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, in July 2018. The law enshrines Israel as a Jewish state and makes Hebrew the country's official language, while downgrading Arabic from an official language to one with "special status." The debate over the Nation-State Law has been largely divided along political and ideological lines. Supporters of the law argue that...
Is Israeli Democracy in Existential Danger?
March 23, 2023 04:04 - 32 minutes - 37.5 MBIs Israeli Democracy in Existential Danger? Once again, we turned to Chat GPT and asked a simple question. “Does the current judicial reform crisis mean that Israeli democracy is coming to an end?” Here’s the essential parts of it's answer: As an AI language model, I strive to remain impartial and avoid making predictions about political developments. However, I can provide some background information on the ongoing judicial reform crisis in Israel and its potential implications for Isra...
Do we wish for an Exceptional or a Normal state?
March 16, 2023 04:06 - 32 minutes - 37.3 MBDo we wish for an Exceptional or Normal state? What do we hope for when we consider the Jewish State? Let’s consider our National Anthem: “As long as deep in the heart, The soul of a Jew yearns, And forward to the East To Zion, an eye looks Our hope will not be lost, The hope of two thousand years, To be a free nation in our land, The land of Zion and Jerusalem.” Is that hope to become a free nation like all others, or to become an exceptional lofty nation? I suppose it depends who...
Should the IDF End the Draft?
March 09, 2023 05:06 - 21 minutes - 25.2 MBShould the IDF end the draft? Polling over the last few years shows growing support among Israelis for a professional, rather than a conscripted army. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has had a mandatory conscription policy since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. All Israeli citizens, with few exceptions, are required to serve in the IDF for a period of 2-3 years for men, and 2 years for women, after reaching the age of 18. So why, in recent years, has there been a growing de...
Is there still a chance for a two-state solution?
March 02, 2023 05:06 - 26 minutes - 36.4 MBIs there still a chance for a two-state solution? For the last nine decades, whenever outsiders looked at the conflict between Jews and Arabs between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea, they have come up with the same idea. Since both people have claims to the land, it will need to be split. A two-state solution refers to the idea of establishing two independent states for Israelis and Palestinians, respectively, living side by side within recognized borders. This usually means cr...
Are Jews Indigenous to Israel?
February 23, 2023 11:10 - 27 minutes - 31.2 MBAre Jews Indigenous to Israel? There are still some things you can Google, but now we also have Chat GPT. When we looked on google to define indigenous peoplehood, it said it means “inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.” Does this concept apply to Jews in Israel? There are two ways to address this question. One is simply to answer it. The other is to question its relevance. It feels like it's important and relevant to the Zionis...
The Judicial Reform Debate
February 16, 2023 12:36 - 25 minutes - 28.7 MBThe Israeli Judicial Reform Debate This is certainly the most divisive topic in current Israeli politics. While many thousands protest every week, supporters call those protesters anarchists. We recorded this episode before all of the plan’s specifics were announced, we certainly called the issues correctly. This debate has been ongoing for several years, but is now reaching a crisis point. The main issue at the center of the debate is the balance of power between the legislative and judi...
Trailer: We're coming back with a new format!
February 16, 2023 11:17 - 1 minute - 2.01 MBNew episodes on the way! Our new season is coming before you know it. We've reformatted in light of a different podcast landscape then when we started, back in 2016. (There are more options now for Israeli headlines in english) As educators, we decided that working out various issues that affect Israeli life, culture and politics is our strength. We thought it would be fun to take turns debating these topics in an informal way. Issues like judicial reform, the Nation-State law and the viab...
266 Conversion in Modern Israel (Re-release)
July 22, 2022 10:25 - 5 MBThere are thousands of Israelis who do not meet the definition of "Jew" by the standards of Orthodox Judaism. Imagine going to Jewish schools, serving in the IDF, and then being told that you can't marry a Jew! How should the Jewish State resolve this disturbing problem for so many of its citizens? Rabbi Chashi Freedman is the Educational Director of Nativ, the largest conversion preparation organization in Israel. He sat down with Mike and Rena to discuss the work he does. He shared moving...
265 Hillel Halkin on Herzl vs. Ahad Ha'am (re-release)
July 15, 2022 12:05 - 5 MBAlways get as much Hillel Halkin content as you possibly can. If you want to know why, listen to our current episode. Alan rejoined Mike for this one. They discussed Ahad Ha'am's arguments with Herzl, but it's really about why the history of Zionism is so relevant to us today. Normally we discuss current events, but a scholar like Hillel reminds us that we need to be informed by our past. Don't miss this one! Hillel Halkin His Amazon Page Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, ...
264 - The New Israeli Jews (Re-release)
July 07, 2022 17:40 - 5 MBIf you missed this classic episode, you'll want to catch it. And if you heard it back in the day, it's worth a refresher. Enjoy! Zionism's founders wanted to change Jewish character and culture. In 2019, the data is in, and we can now see that they succeeded. (although not necessarily in the ways they intended) In this important episode, Alan and Mike interview Shmuel Rosner. Shmuel Rosner's Webpage with many relevant links. This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben...
263 Government Collapse and New Elections
June 22, 2022 09:45 - 41 minutes - 57.4 MBWell, there goes the government. It looks like we're headed to the 5th elections in under 4 years. How did this happen? Why did this happen? What happens next? Mike is joined by Calev Ben-Dor and new team member Mordechai Cohen. Join us! This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and recommend our podcast. If you have further questions about Israel, please feel free to contact your Masa teacher.
262 Changing the West Bank Legal Status
June 08, 2022 17:39 - 40 minutes - 55.6 MBUmmm... WHAT?! What the heck is happening? Is the Israeli government about to change the status of West Bank settlements in a political fight? What does that mean for the almost half a million Jews who live there? Why are right wing parties endangering the settlement movement? Will this receive international attention? What is the plan here? How will all of this mess turn out. Mike and Liel try to figure out what's going on while explaining it to you... and themselves. Join us! This epis...
261 The Israel Conversation on Social Media
June 02, 2022 13:45 - 51 minutes - 71.2 MBWhy are posts about Israel on social media so distorted and strange? What can we do about it? How should Israel educators discuss these issues with their students? Social media and PR expert Emily Schrader joined Liel and Mike for a discussion filled with thought provoking insights and perspective. This episode is a must listen! Join us! Emily Schrader This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and ...
260 Coalition Chaos
May 27, 2022 12:57 - 37 minutes - 51.2 MBWhy is the current government coalition in constant chaos? What does that mean for Israel's present and future? How do we follow these stories? Rajel Leghziel joined Matt and Mike to explain. Join us! This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and recommend our podcast. If you have further questions about Israel, please feel free to contact your Masa teacher.
259 Civility in Israeli Politics - Can the Coalition Last?
May 19, 2022 10:55 - 36 minutes - 50.3 MBWith all the challenges facing the current coalition, can the government possibly last? What does it represent in terms of civility in politics? Why does civility matter so much to the health of democracy? Calev joined Mike and Matt to discuss. Join us! This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and recommend our podcast. If you have further questions about Israel, please feel free to contact your Ma...
258 Days of Remembrance and Celebration
May 04, 2022 14:25 - 39 minutes - 54.6 MBWhat does it mean that member of Knesset Amichai Chikli has been declared a renegade? What does that show us about Israeli democracy? And what do the "Yoms" (HaShoah, HaZikaron and HaAtzmaut) mean to us? What do they tell us about Israel and our people? Calev discussed these topics with Liel and Mike. Join us! This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share and recommend our podcast. If you have further q...
257 Chametz in Israeli Institutions
April 21, 2022 09:07 - 38 minutes - 53.1 MBWhen Idit Silman left the government coalition, she gave a strange reason. She said it was the implementing of the Supreme Court's ruling on Chametz in Israeli hospitals. What was that ruling? What are the rules on Chametz in Israeli institutions? What role does that Rabbinate play? How should Israel resolve the tension between its Jewish and Democratic identity? Liel and Mike invited Tani Frank, Director of the Center for Judaism and State Policy, to help explain these issues. Join us! T...
256 Current Wave of Terrorism
April 14, 2022 09:55 - 35 minutes - 48.3 MBHow is the current wave of terrorism different from past ones? Is this another intifada? What is Israel doing about it? What exactly makes terrorism different from "freedom fighting"? To address these questions, and more, Mike and Matt invited Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian to the podcast. Mannie is the Times of Israel's military correspondent, and he brought information, explanation and insight to this troubling situation. Join us! Emanuel Fabian at TOI This episode was edited by the amazing Be...
255 The Coalition Earthquake
April 07, 2022 16:10 - 36 minutes - 50.8 MBIsraelis woke up on Wednesday morning to discover that the Government coalition dropped down to 60. Why did that happen? Why is it happening now? What does it mean for the future? Rajel Leghziel joined Liel and Mike on Thursday morning to explain the situation. It may seem confusing at first, but we help make sense of it all. Join us! TOI News and Analysis This episode was edited by the amazing Ben Wallick Studios. Ben is awesome! Masa Website Facebook page Please rate, review, share an...