Type 2 is a podcast from Looking Sideways in association with Patagonia that explores the intersection between the outdoors, action sports and activism.

My guest for this episode of Type 2 is Dan Yates from Save Our Rivers

Save Our Rivers is an environmental organisation dedicated to protecting our wild rivers and national parks.

For Dan, activism is intrinsically linked to his own love for wild places, sure. But what comes across from his story, and why I think it is so valuable, is the reality of everyday activism. Dan and his peers are fitting in their activism around their everyday lives, finding hugely effective ways to achieve their goals that don’t necessarily rely on direct action, and instead means a lot of hard, dedicated and often unglamorous work.

There’s huge value in this because one of the themes that is gradually becoming clear as Type 2 evolves, and I speak to more people, is that for activism to really succeed it needs to be a combination of passion and pragmatism, which is something Dan and Save our Rivers epitomise.

New episodes of Type 2 will be released every four weeks through my Looking Sideways channel. Hear it by subscribing to Looking Sideways via ApplePodcasts, Spotify, Podbean, OvercastFM or any of the usual other podcast providers.

Thanks to Ewan Wallace for the theme tune, and to my editor Fina Charleson.

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