We were so excited to talk to Mark Devries, Producer and Director of Speciesism, The Movie (2013). We talk to him about the everyday pain farmed animals feel, if he wishes he could re-enter the Matrix, when and how to make the comparison to slavery and the holocaust, and much more. We get deep on this episode talking about the philosophical and psychological implications of going vegan.

Before talking to Mark, Sarah reads an article, My first day at the slaughterhouse (http://www.veganaustralia.org.au/my_first_day_at_work_at_the_slaughterhouse). A little parental advisory: It's a descriptive piece from a meat eater who took a job at a humane slaughterhouse and went vegan overnight. She gives some squeamish details, but it's worth listening to and feeling... as it's reality.

Find Mark: http://speciesismthemovie.com/
http://factoryfarmdrones.com/

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